Can you store things other than passwords, e.g. credit cards? I doesn't seem so, but I only gave it a quick look. Would love to switch but that is a hard requirement for me. Also, does it only work well with Safari?
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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#642Normally I’m conflicted when a big tech company comes to stomp on a market of smaller app makers but the password manager industry has left me with little sympathy. Years ago I bought 1Password via a one off payment and set it up to sync via my iCloud Drive. It all worked great. Then they took VC investment and quickly every new feature was locked behind a subscription gate. I switched to Bitwarden. Then they took VC…
>and you could never use a third party storage service with BW AFAIK
You can run your own BW server, or at least you could as of a few years ago. It's not well documented, but it was doable. The only reason I don't use BW is because the iOS app doesn't locally cache passwords, and I didn't want to open up my home network or set up a VPN just for a bitwarden server.
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#643Normally I’m conflicted when a big tech company comes to stomp on a market of smaller app makers but the password manager industry has left me with little sympathy. Years ago I bought 1Password via a one off payment and set it up to sync via my iCloud Drive. It all worked great. Then they took VC investment and quickly every new feature was locked behind a subscription gate. I switched to Bitwarden. Then they took VC…
Well, good to know that U.S. feds now just need to send a single ping to get all the world's passwords on Apple devices.
I really recommend you stop and read the white papers regarding iOS and Apple's Security and Infrastructure design, instead of just regurgitating a talking point from reddit.
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#644Normally I’m conflicted when a big tech company comes to stomp on a market of smaller app makers but the password manager industry has left me with little sympathy. Years ago I bought 1Password via a one off payment and set it up to sync via my iCloud Drive. It all worked great. Then they took VC investment and quickly every new feature was locked behind a subscription gate. I switched to Bitwarden. Then they took VC…
>and you could never use a third party storage service with BW AFAIK You can run your own BW server, or at least you could as of a few years ago. It's not well documented, but it was doable. The only reason I don't use BW is because the iOS app doesn't locally cache passwords, and I didn't want to open up my home network or set up a VPN just for a bitwarden server.
The iOS app does cache passwords locally, and has since before I started using it c. 2021 or 2022.
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#645Normally I’m conflicted when a big tech company comes to stomp on a market of smaller app makers but the password manager industry has left me with little sympathy. Years ago I bought 1Password via a one off payment and set it up to sync via my iCloud Drive. It all worked great. Then they took VC investment and quickly every new feature was locked behind a subscription gate. I switched to Bitwarden. Then they took VC…
I don't mind paying for quality software, which I considered 1Password v7 to be. However, their recent v8 launch has soured me on the company pretty severely. The macOS app is a pretty dramatic downstep and their focus on a browser extension over a system/menubar app is frustrating to say the least. I don't know if Apple Passwords will be a perfect fit for me, I'm hoping someone shares a deep dive on the product soon…
What’s the problem with it exactly?
I’m using it on iPad, macOS, iOS and windows 10 and 11. Seems per much the same as it’s always been.
I’ve got the family using it too.
Just curious what issues other people are experiencing.
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Can you expand more on the Screen Time issue?
For me it's completely unfit for purpose: * It's incompatible with some apps, e.g. Roblox, that are full-screened, and you end up in an annoying loop between the Roblox screen and the request more time screen fighting with each other, with no ability to click anything. My kid has learned how to hit the Option-Command-Escape shortcut to force-kill Roblox using just the keyboard and restart. * Sometimes Screen Time req…
Screen time is definitely designed for iPhone/iPad, and macOS integration is a very distant afterthought.
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Here there is no problem. You have a completely free choice to use 1password, BitWarden, KeePass etc ..... Apple is not stopping you. Forcing all browsers on iOS to use Safari is a different matter.
Were Microsoft forcing you to use Internet Explorer?
Yes many pages and tools only worked with IE
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I have been fighting switching to the SaaS version. Paying a monthly fee for access to my passwords is highway robbery. I do not want/need any of these other "services" they forced upon me. I have trying Apples keychain, but that migration is slow and a total pain in the ass. And it's not even a good replacement. I'm sure 1Password doesn't care one iota about loosing individual users with attitudes like this. Until t…
> I have been fighting switching to the SaaS version I felt that way on principle for a long time, but honestly, on reflection, 1P is probably subscription that is most justifiable. I want to outsource online security to people that know what they are doing. I want that to be a viable business for a long time into the future. And I want their funding model to be such that their interests are aligned with those of the…
I don't think it's so much "paying for an app" as it is the constant rent seeking. It's not that people don't want to pay for 1Password, it's that we're all so damn tired of every company nickel-and-diming us to death. Can't anything just be a one time purchase anymore?
While 1Password probably wouldn't have gotten as popular as it is, if they started as a SaaS, instead of letting everyone think they could just buy it one time and be done, I doubt anyone would be angry about it.
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#649Normally I’m conflicted when a big tech company comes to stomp on a market of smaller app makers but the password manager industry has left me with little sympathy. Years ago I bought 1Password via a one off payment and set it up to sync via my iCloud Drive. It all worked great. Then they took VC investment and quickly every new feature was locked behind a subscription gate. I switched to Bitwarden. Then they took VC…
I don't have a problem with the subscriptions. I've tried out a number of options over the years, including KeePass, LastPass, 1Password, and most recently Bitwarden. KeePass was a great bit of software but managing the vault syncing myself and having to wait for (and trust) the third-party Firefox extension to update was tiresome. For about a buck a month, LP was a pretty good deal and handled all of that overhead f…
> I don't get the hand-wringing when it comes to reasonably priced services.
For me, it has nothing to do with the price and everything to do with the fact that I don't want a service dependency for my most critical passwords. I want them to be available no matter what. The product should be standalone. And this isn't a hypothetical concern, either: my employer is contractually mandated to disallow cloud-based password managers, so I must use standalone ones (yes, this is a stupid policy, but one that I'm bound by).
And on top of that, 1Password 5 was an excellent product and it is just steadily getting worse, in my opinion.
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Keychain Access has not been "fine". It's had multiple unaddressed data loss bugs. For example, Keychain lost all passwords from all Keychains after the Catalina update[1] and this wasn't fixed in the next 3 Catalina minor updates. Multiple users reported the issue to Apple and the response was crickets. Even if you restored the passwords, it helpfully deleted them all again. I switched to 1Password and declared Keyc…
That does seem like one Apple fault, that Microsoft does better -- triaging actual bugs. Apple has devs. Maybe some teams are short-staffed, but they fix things. What Apple doesn't seem to have is a functional bugfix priority loop that includes customer input and provides feedback.
It starts with the horrendous thing called “Feedback Assistant”. Black hole if I ever saw one.