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Re: GPT-4o

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Post by Art9681 »

lottin wrote: post #569
cal85 wrote: post #495

We've had voice input and voice output with computers for a long time, but it's never felt like spoken conversation. At best it's a series of separate voice notes. It feels more like texting than talking. These demos show people talking to artificial intelligence. This is new. Humans are more partial to talking than writing. When people talk to each other (in person or over low-latency audio) there's a rich metadata…

But in this case you're not talking with a real person. Instinctively, I dislike a robot that pretends to be a real human being.

Good thing you can tell the AI to speak to you in a robotic monotone and even drop IQ if you feel the need to speak with a dumb bot. Or abstain from using the service completely. You have choices. Use them.

Re: GPT-4o

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Post by astrange »

lottin wrote: post #569
cal85 wrote: post #495

We've had voice input and voice output with computers for a long time, but it's never felt like spoken conversation. At best it's a series of separate voice notes. It feels more like texting than talking. These demos show people talking to artificial intelligence. This is new. Humans are more partial to talking than writing. When people talk to each other (in person or over low-latency audio) there's a rich metadata…

But in this case you're not talking with a real person. Instinctively, I dislike a robot that pretends to be a real human being.

I would say many pets pretend to be human beings (usually babies) in a way that most people like.

Re: GPT-4o

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Post by hntddt1 »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #549
jimkleiber wrote: post #508

I worry that this tech will amplify the cultural values we have of "good" and "bad" emotions way more than the default restrictions that social media platforms put on the emoji reactions (e.g., can't be angry on LinkedIn). I worry that the AI will not express anger, not express sadness, not express frustration, not express uncertainty, and many other emotions that the culture of the fine-tuners might believe are "bad…

Imagine how warped your personality might become if you use this as an entire substitute for human interaction. Should people use this as bf/gf material we might just be further contributing to decreasing the fertility rate. However we might offset this by reducing the suicide rate somewhat too.

Movie "Her" became reality

Re: GPT-4o

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Post by upmind »

deepp805 wrote: post #634

With 4o being free, can someone explain what the real benefit is to having Pro? For me, the main benefit was having a more powerful model, but if the free tier also offers this I'm not really sure what I would benefit from

You're allowed more requests in an hour, about 5x more iirc. Might not be a deal breaker for you, but if you're using the speech capabilities, you'll likely go way above the limit in an hour during a typical speech session

Re: GPT-4o

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Post by echelon »

deepp805 wrote: post #634

With 4o being free, can someone explain what the real benefit is to having Pro? For me, the main benefit was having a more powerful model, but if the free tier also offers this I'm not really sure what I would benefit from

OpenAI doesn't need that money.

It's free so that no open source models can follow suit and carve away market share for themselves. They're scorching and salting the earth. OpenAI wants to be the only AI.

Only Google and Meta can follow this now, and they're perhaps too far behind.

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Post by borgdefense »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #549
jimkleiber wrote: post #508

I worry that this tech will amplify the cultural values we have of "good" and "bad" emotions way more than the default restrictions that social media platforms put on the emoji reactions (e.g., can't be angry on LinkedIn). I worry that the AI will not express anger, not express sadness, not express frustration, not express uncertainty, and many other emotions that the culture of the fine-tuners might believe are "bad…

Imagine how warped your personality might become if you use this as an entire substitute for human interaction. Should people use this as bf/gf material we might just be further contributing to decreasing the fertility rate. However we might offset this by reducing the suicide rate somewhat too.

I just find this idea ridiculous.

While I don't agree at all with you, I very much appreciate reading something like this that I don't agree at all with. This to me encapsulates the beauty of human interaction.

It is exactly what will be missing from language model interaction. I don't want something that agrees with me and I don't want something that is pretending to randomly disagree with me either.

The fun of this interaction is maybe one of us flips the other to their point of view.

I can completely picture how to take the HN API and the chatGPT API to make my own personal HN to post on and be king of the castle. Everyone can just upvote my responses to prove what a genius I am. That obviously would be no fun. There is no fun configuration of that app though either with random disagreements and algorithmic different points of view.

I think you can pretty much apply that to all domains of human interaction that is not based on pure information transfer.

There is a reason we are a year in and the best we can do are new stories about someone making X amount of money with their AI girlfriend and follow up new about how its the doom of society. It has nothing to do with reality.

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Post by [deleted] »

jimkleiber wrote: post #508

I worry that this tech will amplify the cultural values we have of "good" and "bad" emotions way more than the default restrictions that social media platforms put on the emoji reactions (e.g., can't be angry on LinkedIn). I worry that the AI will not express anger, not express sadness, not express frustration, not express uncertainty, and many other emotions that the culture of the fine-tuners might believe are "bad…

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Re: GPT-4o

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Post by nsonha »

lottin wrote: post #569
cal85 wrote: post #495

We've had voice input and voice output with computers for a long time, but it's never felt like spoken conversation. At best it's a series of separate voice notes. It feels more like texting than talking. These demos show people talking to artificial intelligence. This is new. Humans are more partial to talking than writing. When people talk to each other (in person or over low-latency audio) there's a rich metadata…

But in this case you're not talking with a real person. Instinctively, I dislike a robot that pretends to be a real human being.

I dislike a robot that's equal/surpasses human beings. A silly machine that pretends to be human is what I want.

Re: GPT-4o

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Post by ehnto »

heed wrote: post #625
jimkleiber wrote: post #508

I worry that this tech will amplify the cultural values we have of "good" and "bad" emotions way more than the default restrictions that social media platforms put on the emoji reactions (e.g., can't be angry on LinkedIn). I worry that the AI will not express anger, not express sadness, not express frustration, not express uncertainty, and many other emotions that the culture of the fine-tuners might believe are "bad…

Sam Altman talked a little bit about this in his recent appearance on the All-In podcast [0]. I'm paraphrasing, but his vision is that ai assistants in the near term will be like a senior level employee - they'll push back when it makes sense to and not just be sycophants. [0]: https://youtube.com/watch?v=nSM0xd8xHUM

I don't want to paint with too broad of a brush but the role of a manager is generally to trust their team on specifics. So how would a manager be able to spot a hallucination and stop it from informing business decisions?

It's not as bad for domain experts because it is easier for them to spot the issue. But if your role demands you trust your team is skilled and truthful then I see problems occuring.

Re: GPT-4o

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Post by danans »

The sentence order of the Arabic and Urdu examples text is scrambled on that page:

Arabic: مرحبًا، اسمي جي بي تي-4o. أنا نوع جديد من نموذج اللغة، سررت بلقائك!

Urdu: ہیلو، میرا نام جی پی ٹی-4o ہے۔ میں ایک نئے قسم کا زبان ماڈل ہوں، آپ سے مل کر اچھا لگا!

Even if you don't read Arabic or Urdu script, note that the 4 and o are on opposite sides of a sentence. Despite that, pasting both into Google translate actually fixes the error during translation. OpenAI ought to invest in some proofreaders for multilingual blog posts.

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