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Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Apple isn’t considering that they are the baddies? I suggest strong regulation of the complete BigIT and two chairs for public observers at minimum. In addition they are not allowed to enter any new market. Why? Because it worked well with AT&T . Results: * UNIX * C * Open-Source * Public Documentation Sounds good? Until the Reagan administration appeared, allowed them to split up (Baby Bells), the UNIX-Wars followed…

(We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39679103)

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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It's sad to see Apple adopting kind of an Oracle way of business. "Kind of"... They were screwed by Microsoft in the past. And now they're the ones screwing every single small and mid-sized software shop everywhere. When will we stop buying their products?

> When will we stop buying their products? When their competitors finally bother to pay attention to build quality.

Some of them do! Go check out a Huawei store, or, to a lesser degree, a Samsung one.

It's true that it might not apply to all their products, because they also cater to people without 6-figure USD equivalent incomes, but you can buy the expensive stuff.

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That's a bit of an exaggeration financially. I think Apple is afraid 100% of their market cap depends on the App Store, just not so directly. Phones are "done". Geese don't live forever. Switching away is hard. In the not too distant future a $99 no brand phone will be equivalent to the iPhone experience for 80% of use cases, modulo the camera. If apps are just web apps and run on whatever hardware, Apple will need t…

IPhone is a status symbol. Why people buy designer purses or designer clothes. Someone people will look down on you if you text messages show up green on their phone. Also IPhone still has more revenue opportunity. AI assistant is the next one. Chat GPT has proven people are willing to spend $20 a month on AI that doesn't even hook up to your email, calendar, or files.

> IPhone is a status symbol.

Maybe for some but not for everyone. In the past you could trust that your phone works 7 years instead of 2 years by having software updates. It also is very stable on software side.

I have saved so much money by buying iPhone and using it for more than 5 years.

> Chat GPT has proven people are willing to spend $20 a month on AI that doesn't even hook up to your email, calendar, or files.

The biggest benefit for paying is the large rate limit and the best accuracy on the market. Copilot is useless with 30 responds per day.

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The whole app ecosystem(android and apple) is carefully constructed for maximum market owner value extraction, user value is a secondary consideration. Basically, it is what the web would look like if it were developed by corporate interests, conversely "apps" could have been a better designed web[1], but instead are this comparatively clunky gated process where you have to explicitly install the app first only then…

To be fair, this evolved naturally. The TI calculators were progamable, my brother used those. Then the pocket pcs (windows ce) had 3rd party programs, those were distributed as files by the publisher. Program stores were webpages were people sold their files. I used the skyscape medical books; you installed the program as usual, then you bought a code specific for your version and file. All that done through a webpa…

> For your safety, of course.

I know they have ulterior motives for their walled garden, but this is a product of said garden. The App Store is by far much safer to use than Google's Play Store. Plus the parental controls on android are essentially non-existent.

I'm happy in this walled garden.

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You could open your eyes and look at reality and not imagined universe. Facebook apps are still on Android store, Facebook users do not install the application from some shady store. The issue is that Apple is a greedy bitch, they do not allow the developers to put a text on theier app that would inform the USER that they have a CHOICE to purchase a book/DLC/music from a website. See above I bolded for you that Apple…

I wouldn't call it imagined when Fortnite is not available on the Android App Store... There is at least one company that is very much pushing for this exact scenario, and has announced plans for releasing a store on iOS.

So can you find other real example, since this one is invalid because of Epic lawsuit. All Apple fans name Facebook so please show us the Facebook example or maybe shut up about Facebook and use a real example not imagined ones.

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I just want to be able to install my own apps on my own device without paying $99/year (and with a signature that lasts a reasonable amount of time). Sadly, this doesn't seem to allow for that.

I'd even be willing to pay the $99 a year, I just want the signature to last longer than a week, ideally forever. For years when I don't feel like updating the app, I won't pay the developer membership fee.

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Unfortunately this is backwards for me. My mac usage is direct download (when possible) for small developers, but get the advantages of the mac app store when using an app written from someone big. So if I were inclined to download something from Epic I'd want to use the app store anyway. For phones though I don't have the tools I do on the mac (ios is too opaque) so if I couldn't get it from the Apple app store I ju…

That's fine. Not every citizen has to actively use every right made available to them by the law. That doesn't diminish its value for the ones who do need it.

Sure, that's why I said, "for me".

Perhaps there are many more, perhaps I'm an outlier, and maybe some HN threads might uncover a which (sometimes happens).

Apple’s requirement that you already have a lot of downloads pretty much defeats the support for small indie developers. But I doubt many people care much about supporting them anyway.

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I suppose the next stage of malicious compliance will be to allow absolutely everyone to publish apps everywhere , but with some technical warning that is designed to be ignored.

That would be great! I'd love to just be able to make and app and let Iphone users get it, without Apple having any business in it.

I would love that. I have recently tried downloading a few apps for different reasons and every single all is locked away, for any useful features, behind in app purchases. I remember the days back when iPhone first came out you could find apps and no such thing as purchasing features. It dawned on me that my iPhone is a pretty shitty platform unlike my Pc where I can download many free open source projects made by passionate people who like to share. I haven’t owned an android in years but I am seriously contemplating getting a google pixel phone as they still have unlocked bootloaders. Our phones are capable of so much more but have been dumbed down so apple can let developers sell us features through apps while taking a 30% fee along the way.
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