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Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by pjerem »

wkat4242 wrote: post #609

Ummm lol. So now sideloading is allowed (with lots of costs associated mind you) and if someone wants to use it Apple will just kick them off the platform? :') So first malicious compliance with all the inflated costs and then they don't even allow people to use it. I really hope the EU will crack down on this BS and force Apple to allow real sideloading. But anyway I've written Apple out of my life a long time ago.

> But anyway I've written Apple out of my life a long time ago.

I love my iPhone and my Mac. They are great devices. I’ve been using Apple products happily despite having pretty few acquaintance with the Apple brand (which I feel incredibly arrogant).

All of those stories about the DMA and the total lack of good faith from Apple when it comes to respect the rules are making me strongly reconsider buying new Apple products in the future. In fact I’m starting to regret my investment in a Air M2 last year because while it’s not new that Apple consider my devices to be their own, they are not even trying to act like it’s not the case anymore. They are actively and publicly fighting against my (their customer) interests.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by nozzlegear »

wkat4242 wrote: post #609

Ummm lol. So now sideloading is allowed (with lots of costs associated mind you) and if someone wants to use it Apple will just kick them off the platform? :') So first malicious compliance with all the inflated costs and then they don't even allow people to use it. I really hope the EU will crack down on this BS and force Apple to allow real sideloading. But anyway I've written Apple out of my life a long time ago.

They’ve already approved others for third-party App Store implementations:

https://mastodon.social/@rileytestut/112039139930789909

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by wilg »

mike_d wrote: post #637
tebbers wrote: post #612

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s no way the EU allows Apple’s interpretation of the DMA after they did this, Apple really made a mistake here. As you say, how can you be sure that alternative app stores won’t just be booted off by Apple for $REASON?

> how can you be sure that alternative app stores won’t just be booted off by Apple for $REASON? The EU law allows for consumers to sideload other app stores on hardware they control. It has no provision that compels Apple to continue doing business with a company in their own app store. Yes, it is a business decision you need to make to offer a sideload app store and opt-out of the Apple app store. Does it suck for…

Epic is unable to make their own app store without a developer account.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by ergonaught »

ergonaught wrote: post #102
hellcow wrote: post #83

Clearly the recent 1.8B Euro fine the EU levied against Apple didn't send a message. Perhaps the EU needs to ratchet it up by an order of magnitude.

More likely, Apple needs to withdraw entirely from the EU and see what happens.

It’s a FAFO suggestion, nothing more, but I have not seen anyone consider (or care?) whether Apple’s EU customers support the various decisions, which is the point that interests me.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by mataug »

vlod wrote: post #529

Wondering how this affects Apple employees. Back in the day, working for Apple seemed cool. (Pirate flags on building etc). Previously MSFT used to be (maybe they've turned that around?) the most hated tech company (becz of their very aggressive attitudes to competitors especially Netscape). One thing they didn't FU and is represented by the infamous sweaty Balmer video [0] of him shouting "Developers, developers, de…

> Wondering how this affects Apple employees. Back in the day, working for Apple seemed cool.

Most employees are trying to pay bills and keep ar roof. Especially in today's tech job market, people are trying to avoid getting laid off. Very few people have the luxury of being able to think about apple seeming like a cool place to work or not.

So I would say this doesn't affect most apple employees in anyway.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by johnnyanmac »

m4rtink wrote: post #486
samatman wrote: post #362

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We don't have to imagine, we have 40 years of game consoles existing.

Which is also wrong, especially given how most modern consoles are basically PCs. Just see what all you can do with Steam Deck in comparison to the locked down consoles.

>especially given how most modern consoles are basically PCs.

people always obsess over the hardware in these arguments when the value is in the software. You probably can eventually run windows on a PS5, but that's not what people buy a PS5 for. They don't advertise it as being able to install whatever OS you want (they made that mistake on PS3, took it back, and then got fined for taking it back), and the value for most customers is playing PS5 games. The onyl non-gaming thing you can do these days on a PS5 is watch streaming services. So at best it's a media center

Just because you can install doom on a pregnancy test doesn't mean a pregnancy test is a general purpose computer.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by madeofpalk »

matwood wrote: post #628
smoldesu wrote: post #610

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> Other than cultivating a base of iOS users spending 7x more than Android users on apps[1]. Those iOS users certainly aren't spending 7x more on AppleTV and iTunes albums. It's because of third-parties that Apple can convince users to spend money in the first place. > That sounds like significant value to me and not dissimilar to what the console manufacturers pitch to developers. If console manufacturers had the ha…

Cool, so all the 3rd parties can move to Android and the affluent users will follow. Oh wait. The problem is assuming that either party is the one providing all the value. Of course the app developers are providing value, but so is Apple. > If console manufacturers had the hardware margins Apple did, they wouldn't be console manufacturers anymore. Margins are irrelevant in this discussion.

I mean, if all the third party app developers did stop developing for iOS, I would imagine a significant amount would move to Android.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by lnxg33k1 »

andyferris wrote: post #635
lnxg33k1 wrote: post #623

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Made a mistake, why? They either comply right away, or just pretend to be deaf with their own interpretation, make Epic sue them again, pull the situation for a few years keep profiting off developers with their 30% rent, maybe at the end of it the EU will fine them some peanut and the rest is just profit, can’t understand what the mistake is here

The potential fines aren’t peanuts. From memory, they are up to like 12% on global annual revenue (not profit), or something.

Ah didn’t know it, that would be cool, fingers crossed

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by 0x457 »

madeofpalk wrote: post #507
yakkityyak wrote: post #430

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I don’t quite understand why they happily subscribe to this model with Xbox PlayStation and Nintendo, but are adamant about getting their way with Google and Apple.

Game developers and console makers tend to have a much cosier relationship because they actually care about each other. Console makers will engage in co-marketing deals or other things to entice and make good on their relationship.

> Game developers and console makers tend to have a much cosier relationship because they actually care about each other.

lmao, in what world? Apple used to bring Epic games on stage during it presentations.

The difference between a gaming console and a phone is that your phone is in your pocket and the console isn't. Both provide libraries and tools for development, both provide support, both provide distribution channel, both provide free marketing, both provide and cultivate user base.

The main difference is: console makers have publishing divisions (that btw put even worse restrictions sometimes) and as of very recently started buying every developer they can afford.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by numbsafari »

wkat4242 wrote: post #609

Ummm lol. So now sideloading is allowed (with lots of costs associated mind you) and if someone wants to use it Apple will just kick them off the platform? :') So first malicious compliance with all the inflated costs and then they don't even allow people to use it. I really hope the EU will crack down on this BS and force Apple to allow real sideloading. But anyway I've written Apple out of my life a long time ago.

Call me when Xbox allows side loading.
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