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Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Here's the problem for Google: Gemini pukes out a perfect visual representation of actual systemic racism that pervades throughout modern corporate culture in the US. Daily interactions can be masked by platitudes and dog whistles. A poster of non-white celtic warriors cannot. Gemini refused to create an image of "a nice white man", saying it was "too spicy", but had no problem when asked for an image of "a nice blac…

Seems like all they need to do is, when prompted to generate images of people, ask for clarification on whether the user wants to constrain the appearance, use the default output of the model, or otherwise offer to modify the prompt to reduce biases or however they would describe it. Doesn't even have to be interactive, just a note on the side would be enough.

Ultimately the only "real" concern was silently perpetuating biases, as long as it isn't silent and the user is made aware of the options, who cares? You'll never be able to baby-proof these things enough to stop "bad actors" from generating whatever they want without compromising the actual usage

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

#642
post #277

Here's the problem for Google: Gemini pukes out a perfect visual representation of actual systemic racism that pervades throughout modern corporate culture in the US. Daily interactions can be masked by platitudes and dog whistles. A poster of non-white celtic warriors cannot. Gemini refused to create an image of "a nice white man", saying it was "too spicy", but had no problem when asked for an image of "a nice blac…

There is an _actual problem_ that needs to be solved. If you ask generative AI for a picture of a "nurse", it will produce a picture of a white woman 100% of the time, without some additional prompting or fine tuning that encourages it to do something else. If you ask a generative AI for a picture of a "software engineer", it will produce a picture of a white guy 100% of the time, without some additional prompting or…

> "I think most people agree that this isn't the optimal outcome"

Nobody gives a damn.

If you wanted a picture of a {person doing job} and you want that person to be of {random gender}, {random race}, and have {random bodily characteristics} - you should specify that in the prompt. If you don't specify anything, you likely resort to whatever's most prominent within the training datasets.

It's like complaining you don't get photos of overly obese people when the prompt is "marathon runner". I'm sure they're out there, but there's much less of them in the training data. Pun not intended, by the way.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is an _actual problem_ that needs to be solved. If you ask generative AI for a picture of a "nurse", it will produce a picture of a white woman 100% of the time, without some additional prompting or fine tuning that encourages it to do something else. If you ask a generative AI for a picture of a "software engineer", it will produce a picture of a white guy 100% of the time, without some additional prompting or…

> If you ask generative AI for a picture of a "nurse", it will produce a picture of a white woman 100% of the time I actually don't think that is true, but your entire comment is a lot of waffle which completely glances over the real issue here: If I ask it to generate an image of a white nurse I don't want to be told that it cannot be done because it is racist, but when I ask to generate an image of a black nurse it…

You are taking a huge leap from an inconsistently lobotimized LLM to system designers/implementors hate white people.

It's probably worth turning down the temperature on the logical leaps.

AI alignment is hard.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Why does google dislike white people? What does this have to do with corporate greed? (which you could always assume when a company does something bad)

Google dislikes getting bad PR. Modern western tech society will criticize (mostly correctly) a lack of diversity in basically any aspect of a company or technology. This often is expressed in shorthand as there being too many white cis men. Don't forget google's fancy doors didn't work as well for black people at once point. Lots of bad PR.

> (mostly correctly)

You mean mostly as a politically-motivated anti-tech propaganda?

Tech is probably the most diverse high-earning industry. Definitely more diverse than NYTimes or most other media that promote such propaganda.

Which is also explicitly racist (much like Harvard) because the only way to deem tech industry “non-diverse” is to disregard Asians/Indians.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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post #277

Here's the problem for Google: Gemini pukes out a perfect visual representation of actual systemic racism that pervades throughout modern corporate culture in the US. Daily interactions can be masked by platitudes and dog whistles. A poster of non-white celtic warriors cannot. Gemini refused to create an image of "a nice white man", saying it was "too spicy", but had no problem when asked for an image of "a nice blac…

sounds too close to "nice guy", that is why "spicy". Nice guys finish last... Yea, people broke "nice" word in general.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Why does google dislike white people? What does this have to do with corporate greed? (which you could always assume when a company does something bad)

They've blindly over-compensated for a lack of diversity in training data by just tacking words like "diverse" onto the prompt when they think you're looking for an image of a person.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Google did giant, fiscally unnecessary layoffs just before AI took off again. They got rid of a giant portion of their most experienced (expensive) employees, signaled more coming to the other talented ones, and took the GE approach to maximizing short term profits over re-investment in the future.

Well, it backfired sooner than leadership expected.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

#648

Why does google dislike white people? What does this have to do with corporate greed? (which you could always assume when a company does something bad)

Maybe this explains some of it, this is a Google exec involved in AI... https://twitter.com/eyeslasho/status/1760650986425618509

From his linkedin: Senior Director of Product in Gemini, VP WeWork, "Advisor" VSCO, VP of advertising products in Pandora, Product Marketing Manager Google+, Business analyst JPMorgan Chase...

Jesus, that fcking guy is literal definition of failing upwards and instead of hiding it he spends his days SJWing on Twitter? Wonder how its like working with him...

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Google in 2013... https://web.archive.org/web/20130924061952/www.google.com/ex... >The beliefs and preferences of those who work at Google, as well as the opinions of the general public, do not determine or impact our search results. Individual citizens and public interest groups do periodically urge us to remove particular links or otherwise adjust search results. Although Google reserves the right to address such r…

~~don't~~ be evil.

Ok, be a little bit evil, but only for lots of money, very often, everywhere.

And don't tell anyone.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure: Kendi, Ibram X.

> Kendi, Ibram X. What specifically is "hyper-racist" about him? I read his wikipedia entry and didn't find anything "hyper-racist" about him.

> Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!

- George Wallace, 1963

> The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.

- Ibram X. Kendi, 2019

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