Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

blog.google

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

641–650 of 1001 posts

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

#641

Post by wslh »

amf12 wrote: post #522
wslh wrote: post #492

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are they in an innovation dilemma now? If Gemini is great as it seem it is and will be it will destroy the search engine and the SEO/SEM/etc world. They can show ads in Gemini but we don't have a list of results from a query but an answer to a question. I think this changes the general idea of online ads.

> it will destroy the search engine This is massively overblown. There is Search the product and there is the Search Engine. How could an LLM get access to latest data indexed to allow looking up by using keywords from a prompt, and with sorting? A Search Engine. LLMs are only changing the Search experience, not making Search obsolete.

I haven't said that it makes search obsolete but all the concepts of SEO/SEM and the stuff around search engines could be significantly reduced with chat prompts.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

#642

Post by teaearlgraycold »

gnicholas wrote: post #630

I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name t…

There presumably was a time when Google considered going more into the “assistant” branding. They own assistant.ai but they don’t do much with it.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

#643

Post by [deleted] »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #618
zooq_ai wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also as time goes by, it'll get smoothly integrated into docs/gmail/maps/calendar/youtube/search/colab/sheets/android/assistant So Gemini could by your one-stop AI shop for everything. Only Microsoft can match it (but Microsoft doesn't have a popular maps, youtube, mail, smartphone OS service). Apple is another strong player (but they don't have productivity tools like docs, sheets or youtube). It really is Google's…

Google still has too much internal fragmentation and power groups to offer a single google-subscriber package. I'd say it is one of the most compelling reasons to kick Sundar out and get in someone who can unify google into one consistent and interoperable ecosystem.

[deleted]

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

#644

Post by TillE »

gnicholas wrote: post #630

I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name t…

I'm sure "Bard" was primarily a Shakespeare reference (The Bard of Avon, frequently just The Bard), and I liked it too. An appropriate name for a technology that's all about language.

Gemini sounds cool and sci-fi though, and maybe it's a bit easier to localize since it's just straight Latin.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

#645

Post by raisedbyninjas »

zooq_ai wrote: post #327
ipsum2 wrote: post #82

In the 20 minutes of experimentation, I'm really impressed with the quality of Bard Advanced (Gemini Ultra). The results are as good as GPT-4, and in some cases is better. So far: pros: - better at translation (tried Chinese and Japanese idioms to English) - better at incorporating search results in its answer vs gpt-4 bing cons: - slightly worse at coding - censorship is more annoying (have to ask multiple times abo…

Also as time goes by, it'll get smoothly integrated into docs/gmail/maps/calendar/youtube/search/colab/sheets/android/assistant So Gemini could by your one-stop AI shop for everything. Only Microsoft can match it (but Microsoft doesn't have a popular maps, youtube, mail, smartphone OS service). Apple is another strong player (but they don't have productivity tools like docs, sheets or youtube). It really is Google's…

If they can get reliably useful AI through voice into maps/navigation, it will be a substantial improvement to the driving experience. It's really frustrating to manage destinations and waypoints while driving. I just checked the process to see if I'm not keeping up and 1. the help docs are out of date. 2. the waypoint search results provides tap points for destinations 10 miles off a route, but shows only 3 pixel red dots for otherwise equally weighted options that are literally on the existing route.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

#646

Post by klabb3 »

fouronnes3 wrote: post #165

Bard? Gemini? Gemini Advanced? Gemini Ultra? Ultra 1.0? I guess they haven't figured out naming yet. This has got to be the most confusing naming since the xbox series x.

To be fair, the competition is ChatGPT, which is an impressively bad product name, among the worst for a consumer product ever. And it still hasn’t been renamed (perhaps a testament to the fact that names aren’t that important after all)

Bard was infuriatingly bad too, but more on a subjective level. And they correctly changed it, thank god. At least it’s easy to pronounce.

Software engineers have a weird obsession with Latin, Greek gods etc. Sounds smart and epic I guess. Personally I would have preferred “Steve French”.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

#647

Post by dudeinjapan »

kevinmchugh wrote: post #594
ipsum2 wrote: post #82

In the 20 minutes of experimentation, I'm really impressed with the quality of Bard Advanced (Gemini Ultra). The results are as good as GPT-4, and in some cases is better. So far: pros: - better at translation (tried Chinese and Japanese idioms to English) - better at incorporating search results in its answer vs gpt-4 bing cons: - slightly worse at coding - censorship is more annoying (have to ask multiple times abo…

On logic it cannot handle the Dumb Monty Hall problem at all: https://g.co/gemini/share/33c5fb45738f

This is hilarious.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

#648

Post by chrisweekly »

zooq_ai wrote: post #327
ipsum2 wrote: post #82

In the 20 minutes of experimentation, I'm really impressed with the quality of Bard Advanced (Gemini Ultra). The results are as good as GPT-4, and in some cases is better. So far: pros: - better at translation (tried Chinese and Japanese idioms to English) - better at incorporating search results in its answer vs gpt-4 bing cons: - slightly worse at coding - censorship is more annoying (have to ask multiple times abo…

Also as time goes by, it'll get smoothly integrated into docs/gmail/maps/calendar/youtube/search/colab/sheets/android/assistant So Gemini could by your one-stop AI shop for everything. Only Microsoft can match it (but Microsoft doesn't have a popular maps, youtube, mail, smartphone OS service). Apple is another strong player (but they don't have productivity tools like docs, sheets or youtube). It really is Google's…

> "Apple is another strong player (but they don't have productivity tools like docs, sheets or youtube)."

Can anyone help me understand how Apple allows Siri to remain so absurdly incompetent? Last night I watched the latest episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm, in which Larry David's Siri interactions devolve into an apoplectic rant -- and part of the reason it was so funny is that it's so relatable. I rarely even try Siri anymore, but when I do it's still just abysmal. Are they deliberately handicapping it, to boost the perceived relative benefits of a future successor?

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

#649

Post by cflewis »

gnicholas wrote: post #630

I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name t…

Gemini is Latin, my guess is it more easily translates to other languages than Bard.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

#650

Post by mark_l_watson »

msoad wrote: post #514
mark_l_watson wrote: post #433

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good comments. As much as I am personally engaged in small LLMs that I can run on my own computer, and integrate into software that I write for myself, I think the future of large scale adoption of AI belongs to Google, Microsoft, and Apple in western countries (and China is doing wonderful things in their markets). The old Bard/Gemini integration with Gmail, Google Docs, etc. is pretty good. I signed up for a minute…

small LLM? Small Large Language Model lol

Good joke, thanks, but I will explain anyway: to me 30 billion parameters or smaller is small since I can run it using Ollama on my home computer. I managed a deep learning team at Capital One and our ‘large’ models were less than 20 million parameters. :-)
Post reply on HN