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Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Another good reason to keep that seat belt fastened even when the sign is off.

The light only means that having it fastened is mandatory. There are many reasons to keep it on during the entire flight, the most common of which is turbulence.

Or the window falling off.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Capitalism is not only defined by the accumulation of capital, but also by competition. The interplay between market forces, competition, innovation, and regulation in capitalism works against the formation of monopolies. The aerospace industry is not a good example of capitalism. What we have with Boeing is basically a government sanctioned monopoly. It’s basically a weak form of nationalization, without the stigma.

> Capitalism is not only defined by the accumulation of capital, but also by competition That's wrong. In reality, the mere theoretical potential for competition has always been more than enough to call it capitalism from any perspective. The facts are that actual competition is not a requirement.

Capitalism is simple: The capital rules supreme. As opposed to the previous system of aristocracy, where it was the land owners. Nobody would seriously claim that aristocracy requires any kind of competition between the aristocrats. Even the very first capitalist big enterprises, such as East India Company were created as _monopolies_

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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It's honestly astonishing how well the A350 held up for evacuation, which supposedly took 10 minutes. This is the first hull loss, and it actually improves the safety record.

Allegedly, some of it can be attributed to the extensive use of carbon fiber in the A350s fuselage and wings.

What can be attributed to the carbon fibre?

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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It is true that you control your fate more when driving. Once the door shuts on the plane you have little ability to do anything other than get yourself arrested. That’s part of WHY air travel is safer.

I like to consider what is safer when something goes wromg . Are there statistics that track this across different modes of travel?

Your car won't fall out of the sky in the event of a malfunction so I guess cars are safer "when something goes wrong"? Then again cars travel with less margin of error to other cars and objects than airplanes.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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The only remedy at this point is to hold executives financially and morally culpable. Anyone opposed to seeing the entire C-suite and board of directors having their bonuses clawed back and sent to jail? I'm not. Let the guillotine come out, I want to see heads roll.

Executives are personally liable for loss of life, regardless of the law it is morally contemptible to hide behind a corporation. Until people go to jail for manslaughter this will not change.

worth noting for no particular reason China had a baby formula scandal in 2008 that led to the death of four infants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal

The Intermediate People's Court in Shijiazhuang sentenced a farmer, Zhang Yujun, and a senior manager, Geng Jinping, to death in 2009. five more people received life sentences and the main company behind it went bankrupt.

this was for four infant deaths.

Boeing killed 189 indonesians in 2021 and executives didnt so much as take a breather at the country club between swings, so good luck.

Capitalism just isnt set up to punish the Bourgeois.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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You make it sound like AOL was cool before the Time-Warner merger and people didn't joke about e.g. the free trial CD's

They were a successful online service before the internet. Yes. They were just as cool as Compuserve and Prodigy.

By the time of the merger with Time Warner they were a joke among technical people. They were in the same category as Compuserve and Prodigy, but marketed specifically as an "easy" service for less technical users.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Monopolies are broken by capitalism just as much as they're created by capitalism. The whole "end-stage capitalism" schtick is wrong because a free market will lead to the ossification and then breakdown of a monopolist. You just have to finish spring semester of Econ101 to find out how.

Capitalism != free market. You think of liberalism here. Capitalism is about private ownership of the means of production, no? Maybe the definition changed in the US?

In it's origins it was about the capital ruling, as opposed to the aristocracy. So political power would be in the hands of people with capital, not the landed aristocracy. The means of production only entered the equation with the industrial revolution. And capitalism is older than that, albeit not much older

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Executives are personally liable for loss of life, regardless of the law it is morally contemptible to hide behind a corporation. Until people go to jail for manslaughter this will not change.

worth noting for no particular reason China had a baby formula scandal in 2008 that led to the death of four infants. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal The Intermediate People's Court in Shijiazhuang sentenced a farmer, Zhang Yujun, and a senior manager, Geng Jinping, to death in 2009. five more people received life sentences and the main company behind it went bankrupt. this was for four infant…

> Capitalism just isnt set up to punish the Bourgeois.

Its not a problem of capitalism its a problem of a judicial system having no balls to put execs in prison.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Interesting timeline. Following the two fatal crashes involving the MCAS system and the 737 Max … The FAA gave Boeing until Dec of 2022 to implement a fix. The fix was to reconfigure the 737 Max with 2 sensors (instead of one) and include an manual shutoff Guess what happened? Boeing didn’t fix anything.. instead they cried to congress that the fix is too expensive and they cannot get it done. So what happens is cong…

> Honestly it’s super depressing and makes me question if we are even a functioning democracy (inverted corporate democracy perhaps?)

We're not. There was a coup attempt scant years ago, and there will absolutely be another in November.

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