Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by eitally » Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 2:09 PM UTC

rezonant wrote: post #539

eitally wrote: post #404

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1. Kids care about it. Why? Because you can use iMessage via iPad without needing a phone number, and this is how lots of tweens get started with messaging. 2. Any Android users with iPhone friends trying to use iMessage for group chat cares about it. It's impossible to add Android users to an existing group chat... and any time you have a mixed iPhone + Android group chat it degrades a number of the iMessage group c…

These are fantastic points, all of which I have personally experienced as an Android user with many iPhone family members. Apple adopting RCS won't solve #1, and is unlikely to solve #2, but solving #3 is a great start, and if the Apple faithful continue to give feedback to Apple that they care about fixing #2, we might see it one day.

I agree. Solving #3 is terrific (because it frequently bites you when the sender is someone you don't know particularly well... certainly not well enough to ask them to resend using a third party messaging app). I don't really care about #1, although I guess Google's answer would be "use Chat", which is absolutely ridiculous since it no longer has an interface to SMS/RCS like Hangouts did. This is a gaping hole in their product strategy, imho. #2 could be solved by Apple if they want to, or else we'll just continue to struggle along with a need for several different messaging apps for different social contexts. It's not like Whatsapp, Telegram, Signal, etc don't work.

Another solution Google could perhaps pursue would be to license one or multiple of those to include in the default Android install, but I don't see that happening without regulatory interference.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by jmull » Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 2:20 PM UTC

sonicanatidae wrote: post #638

jmull wrote: post #334

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First, just an aside: you don't have to hate anyone. It doesn't make you a bad person to hate others, but you could be living better, that's for sure. The thing is, it usually mainly impacts the hater, making them unhappy and angry. But your analogy doesn't fit here... the issue with blue and green bubbles is the social pressure to have the "better" bubble color, to show you're part of the "better" group. That is, th…

The previous poster made a decision to exclude based on the other party's actions, namely giving someone shit about the color of a text box.. lol Why would I want to burden myself with clowns like that? I wear clothes because they are comfortable and look nice. I don't wear clothes because of the branding and those that are overly concerned about the branding, would be the same. Edit: also, I'm now apparently the sam…

> also, I'm now apparently the same ilk as racists

Where is that claim made?

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by sonicanatidae » Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 2:28 PM UTC

jmull wrote: post #642

sonicanatidae wrote: post #638

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The previous poster made a decision to exclude based on the other party's actions, namely giving someone shit about the color of a text box.. lol Why would I want to burden myself with clowns like that? I wear clothes because they are comfortable and look nice. I don't wear clothes because of the branding and those that are overly concerned about the branding, would be the same. Edit: also, I'm now apparently the sam…

> also, I'm now apparently the same ilk as racists Where is that claim made?

Right here:

"So it would be more like showing your objection to racism by expressing racist ideas or taking racist actions"

This is stating that, for example, if you dislike racists and choose not to associate with them, you're acting like a racist. lol

That's not racism...at all. It's not even bigotry. The choice is based on actions, not class, religion, color, etc.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by sonicanatidae » Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 2:29 PM UTC

Invictus0 wrote: post #195

sonicanatidae wrote: post #81

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I love when people comment on the color of a text message. It makes it real easy to know who to block, because they worry about entirely the wrong things.

There's no one to block, you just won't be included when the groupchat is setup. Big problem for teens.

That may be the difference. I'm far removed from my teenage years.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by lotsofpulp » Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 2:29 PM UTC

amadeuspagel wrote: post #547

devilbunny wrote: post #536

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It is prejudiced. I assume Meta is going to make me the product. Signal does E2EE. They have not yet done anything to jeopardize the trust they have earned. Some do not like them, and that’s fine. I have a different view.

Apple is right now making you the product in a way that limits your privacy, telling other people that they have to buy an apple device if they want encrypted communications with you.

Is using Signal on iOS not as secure as using it on Android?

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 2:55 PM UTC

code_duck wrote: post #105

crazygringo wrote: post #60

What a surprise! I'm quite sure RCS bubbles will be green though, and that's still going to be enough of a difference when it comes to teen groups and even adult dating. The EU may mandate interoperability, but I don't see them mandating bubble color...

I’ve had a couple girlfriends in their 40s mildly judge me negatively for having an Android phone, but someone who would take that seriously enough for it to affect their relationship decisions is someone I’d rather not be involved with. Maybe it would be better to text people with a “beater” Android phone as a test for how shallow they may be, like the semi-cliche of a financially well-off person driving an old truc…

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Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by randomdata » Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 2:57 PM UTC

izacus wrote: post #606

kelnos wrote: post #498

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I don't really care if the shaming was done in good or bad faith. At the end of the day, I'm an Android user in a sea of iPhone users, and I'm tired of the fact that our default communication mode has to be SMS or MMS. If this fixes that problem, I don't quite care how we got here.

It's kind of bizarre that people here would rather have shitty experience talking to their friends just to defend the honor megacorporations. Apple and Google ARE NOT PEOPLE. They do NOT HAVE FEELINGS you need to defend. Jesus. Being able to send a rich message from iPhone to Android and back (including location, pictures, videos) is really not something that will cause you pain and Apple won't lash out and punish yo…

> Apple and Google ARE NOT PEOPLE.

That's incorrect. Apple here refers to a group of people, not the fruit. Google here too refers to a group of people, not the software that provides search features.

> They do NOT HAVE FEELINGS you need to defend.

Their feelings need to be defended as much as any other person. Which, logically, is not at all, but as you are defending your own feelings here what is logical is already violated, so...

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by jabart » Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 3:02 PM UTC

commoner wrote: post #80

Excellent. The next step is for Google to release a free and open source way for Android developers to build apps that send RCS messages. Currently, the only messaging app on Android that fully supports RCS is Messages by Google, which is closed source and requires Google Play Services to activate RCS features. Also, end-to-end encryption is not part of the RCS specification, but is a proprietary extension to RCS tha…

Don't use the Verizon Messages app. The privacy policy was terrible three years ago.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by randomdata » Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 3:08 PM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #614

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When companies compete, consumers win.

Up to a point. Afterwards, consumers suffer from garbage products, enshittified services, and under-reported inflation, while companies compete themselves to oblivion.

You really only see that in tech, and do so because of lack of meaningful competition. You get some sideline competition, yes, but never direct competition. The law doesn't allow you to directly compete. As soon as you try you will be slapped with a patent/copyright/whatever lawsuit that will kill you off before you ever had a chance.

Industries where direct competition is allowable do not suffer from these problems.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by Spooky23 » Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 3:19 PM UTC

Zak wrote: post #412

wolverine876 wrote: post #307

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Life isn't so simple. What if that person is your boss or your client, or someone you love?

Someone you love? If the affection is mutual they're not going to cut off communication with you because your phone doesn't run their favorite chat app.

A good friend doesn't have phone number for reasons that important to her.

She's not "cut off", but it requires a conscious effort to contact her. So while I may be keeping a group of people up to date or inviting folks for a bbq, open house, etc casually, I need to specifically invite her via some other channel.

Sometimes I forget. Feelings are hurt. I'm a single parent with a demanding job. Low friction rules the roost for me, and our group of friends all sort of support each other with these types of things and do alot of ad-hoc stuff.