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Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by grolimpio »

bragr wrote: post #609
webmobdev wrote: post #595

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to a TF article in 2012 - https://torrentfreak.com/top-bittorrent-countries-in-the-wor... - Spain was one of the top 10 countries of torrent downloaders. Is there any statistics of torrent users (by country) for 2023? It will be interesting to see if those million outraged spanish Netflix users have now turned to torrenting Netflix shows.

Are torrents even the primary methods of piracy now? That's an actual question: I get the impression that a lot of piracy has switched to grey market file hosting and streaming sites, but I don't have the perspective to say if that's accurate.

I don't believe torrents are the primary source. It's not hard to find illegal streaming websites nowadays and they are probably more convenient, but still a good source for malwares I guess.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by joebiden2 »

badestrand wrote: post #69
kuu wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> despite Netflix investing in Spanish content They are obligated by law to create this content See: https://www.innovationmcc.com/post/spain-will-now-protect-it... > "Towards the end of 2018, European Parliament approved a law that requires all platforms that provide audiovisual content throughout the continent to have at least 30% European productions within their programming." Edit: formatting

Wow, I never heard about that and I suspect it's not well-known at all inside the EU.

It is so well known that it's common to automatically skip content from within the EU. It's usually low-quality fund-farming subpar filler stuff. The most notable exception are spanish films, and those from lesser-known EU countries. Anything from france and germany is almost by definition trash.

In other words: no different than almost all efforts of the EU to "regulate the market" instead of creating incentives.

My family is in the process of finding the best suitable and possible emigration target. Unfortunately this is common. The hardest problem are family ties and care of our parents :/

If your downvoting because of derailing the thread, I deserve it, go on. I'm just frustrated how the EU is, at least from the perspective of my bubble, losing almost every game it wants to play.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by rolodato »

bragr wrote: post #609
webmobdev wrote: post #595

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to a TF article in 2012 - https://torrentfreak.com/top-bittorrent-countries-in-the-wor... - Spain was one of the top 10 countries of torrent downloaders. Is there any statistics of torrent users (by country) for 2023? It will be interesting to see if those million outraged spanish Netflix users have now turned to torrenting Netflix shows.

Are torrents even the primary methods of piracy now? That's an actual question: I get the impression that a lot of piracy has switched to grey market file hosting and streaming sites, but I don't have the perspective to say if that's accurate.

Stremio with torrent addons is extremely common.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by otherme123 »

WheatMillington wrote: post #628
gnicholas wrote: post #416

Losing 1M users is not good, but isn't the real question how many accounts they lost? > The move was linked to a fall in users of more than a million, two thirds of whom were using someone else’s password, according to Kantar’s research, which is based on surveys of household streaming habits. This makes it seem like they lost 333k customers. I don't know how many customers they have in Spain, but that sounds like a…

It's also based on surveys. People are so salty right now I have no doubt a lot of users responded with more passion than honesty to the surveys.

Spanish here: we had shared accounts for every platform in our workplace. HBO, Disney, Netflix, Movistar, Filmin... As soon at Netflix started the threats, we talked about keep it and try login through a proxy or getting it out of our pooled accounts. Each of us was only following one Netflix show, two at most, so we got rid of it.

Not salty, it just doesn't make sense anymore if you already have four or more platforms.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by system2 »

Netflix sucked after Hulu and other streaming services pulled their own network shows from it. They tried to create algorithm based shows which they were extremely predictable and sucky. Sorry to see netflix go down like this but for the last 5-6 years it was unbearable. Mediocre normie shows.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by unixhero »

inopinatus wrote: post #632
WheatMillington wrote: post #625

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Users need to accept that Netflix was never going to be profitable that way. We had a taste of that amount of content at that price, but it simply can't be economically done.

Consumers do not exist so that companies can be profitable, and are not required to accept anything of the sort. What a vampiric, corporate lickspittle point of view.

Lickspittle??? :)

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by ddoolin »

cde-v wrote: post #634
WheatMillington wrote: post #625

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Users need to accept that Netflix was never going to be profitable that way. We had a taste of that amount of content at that price, but it simply can't be economically done.

Netflix has been profitable for years…

Devil's advocate: Is their growth high enough? In our current system, you always have to be growing enough, not just profitable.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by lotsofpulp »

sokoloff wrote: post #636
lotsofpulp wrote: post #312

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The cost (or part of the cost) of the law enforcement apparatus around copyright.

I'm quite sure that the tax receipts from the sale, rental, and performance of the copyrighted material more than adequately covers the portion of those costs borne by society. (In fact, that's probably a fair part of the reason that government is willing to support lengthy and obstructive copyright protections: because it adds government revenue far in excess of the cost.)

I don’t know how one would tease that out of any tax receipt date, compared to economic loss due to suboptimal allocation of society’s resources.

Suppose copyright law was 15 years instead of 100 years or whatever. Society still gets the tax receipts and benefits from creation of the media, but the shareholders who own the media do not get to collect a price premium from the extra 85 years. That money can now be spent by consumers elsewhere as opposed to supporting media owners who already had sufficient incentive to create the media.

The question at the end of the day is, does a 100 year copyright term incentivize the creation of media with so much utility compared to copyright term of 15 years such that it makes sense for society to transfer extra resources to the media owners for an additional 85 years? Amongst other externalities to consider.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by thebradbain »

ddoolin wrote: post #647
cde-v wrote: post #634

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Netflix has been profitable for years…

Devil's advocate: Is their growth high enough? In our current system, you always have to be growing enough, not just profitable.

Maybe true, but that doesn’t mean it’s not a stupid system

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by educaysean »

WheatMillington wrote: post #625
ho_schi wrote: post #569

Netflix: ”You get two parallel streams with your family. Family means trust and password sharing.“ Customers: “Farewell pirating. We pay a fair flat and it is automatically shared between Netflix and artists. Great!“ Netflix: “We increase the flat permanently. And we have now competitors and doesn’t over anymore all relevant content (e.g. Star Trek Picard, Expanse, Disney). How about ruining it and blocking family me…

Users need to accept that Netflix was never going to be profitable that way. We had a taste of that amount of content at that price, but it simply can't be economically done.

Users in Spain seem to have accepted that they didn't mind if they had one less streaming service to choose from. They are voting with their wallets.
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