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Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by CRConrad » Mon, May 01, 2023, 3:10 PM UTC

hef19898 wrote: post #224

pbz wrote: post #167

These kinds of changes just make the OS look cheap (like a bazaar of sorts). They're visually ugly, but easily ignored (I rarely open the start menu). What I'm more concerned / annoyed by is the trend of Windows fighting with you. For example, try to disable the real-time antivirus protection. The UI makes it look like it's off, but then it turns back on by itself. Then you go to group policy to make it explicit that…

Maybe time fro another, huge, anti-competitive fie from the EU, like when back when MS did all those shenanigans around internet Explorer? I wouldn't be surprised of we see similar proceedings in the next years around cloud services (everything from OneDrive to Azure and equivilants, Office, you name it) once the EU is done with mobile devices.

> Maybe time fro another, huge, anti-competitive fie from the EU, like when back when MS did all those shenanigans around internet Explorer?

ITYM pro-competitive. It was Microsoft's behaviour that was anti-competitive.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by CRConrad » Mon, May 01, 2023, 3:38 PM UTC

rafark wrote: post #441

pbz wrote: post #167

These kinds of changes just make the OS look cheap (like a bazaar of sorts). They're visually ugly, but easily ignored (I rarely open the start menu). What I'm more concerned / annoyed by is the trend of Windows fighting with you. For example, try to disable the real-time antivirus protection. The UI makes it look like it's off, but then it turns back on by itself. Then you go to group policy to make it explicit that…

“These kinds of changes just make the OS look cheap“ Windows has never been an elegant OS.

Maybe not exactly elegant, but certainly much more neat and tidy, clean and consistent than it is now. From W95/NT4 up to at least W2K it was quite OK.

And using the old-style “theme” or whatever it was called, you could use that tidy and consistent UI throughout XP in stead of the garish “Fisher-Price” look, via Vista in stead of the annoying and distracting transparency, and well into Windows 7 in stead of whatever the “native look” of that version may have been like (I have no idea, switched to the old look first thing I did).

It only finally went to shit with Windows 8, and unfortunately restoring the Start Menu wasn't enough to make 10 good again.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by CRConrad » Mon, May 01, 2023, 3:46 PM UTC

rafark wrote: post #454

GuB-42 wrote: post #421

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File management in Windows is, I think, the best for a consumer OS, on par with Linux (sometimes better, sometime worse, depending on your distro). Not because it is good, but because Microsoft can't keep up with the others when it comes to messing up file management. iOS: you essentially don't have files, just internal storage for apps Android: you have files, but they are making it really hard to access them MacOS:…

I have to disagree. There’s nothing like column view for windows. The “address” bar in the windows file manager is very useful, though. I’ll give you that. But other than that, I find Finder better. Finder also has tabs (I don’t know if windows copied this, I haven’t used windows since windows 8).

> There’s nothing like column view for windows.

Yes there is. Only it's called “Details” view (if I understood what you meant correctly.)

Press the [Alt] key to make Explorer’s menu appear, then View, then Details. IIRC. HTH!

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by CRConrad » Mon, May 01, 2023, 3:53 PM UTC

mey wrote: post #261

MichaelZuo wrote: post #237

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What made you dislike Windows 7?

Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 were both very good operating systems. My memory is hazy, but I feel like Windows XP didn't really hit it's stride until SP 1 or 2, when USB really stabilized.

IIRC, XP SP3 was the canonical “use this” version.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by CRConrad » Mon, May 01, 2023, 4:02 PM UTC

JohnFen wrote: post #74

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #65

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Ah i can see you never used windows 3.1.

Win 3.1 wasn't much uglier than Win 8, but it was a million times more usable.

Win 3.1 was arguably less ugly than Win 8.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by snvzz » Mon, May 01, 2023, 8:32 PM UTC

midoridensha wrote: post #621

snvzz wrote: post #403

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Serious question here: Why would someone NOT want to know Linux? When ignoring the short term, what's the advantage, if any, of using a system without mastering it?

Do you own and drive a car? Do you know how to rebuild the engine? Why not? Can you drive it as well as a professional race car driver? Why not? Why aren't you taking all your free time to master these skills?

>Do you own and drive a car?

No and no.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by AppleBananaPie » Wed, May 03, 2023, 4:02 PM UTC

CRConrad wrote: post #640

AppleBananaPie wrote: post #461

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probably a hot take but microsoft's product and pm culture is garbage leftover from the microsoft's anti customer era and is most entrenched in windows and other old orgs

> leftover from the microsoft's anti customer era Are you saying they're in some different era now?

I'm assuming Azure has less of the culture but I haven't personally experienced it. Mostly my thought is the old culture is much stronger in the older orgs. They seem to be trying to change it but the change is really just superficial with the same people using new words but doing the same things.