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I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by yoyohello13 »

vc8f6vVV wrote: post #463
TrueDuality wrote: post #309

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I think your response is equally naive. I am still largely undecided on whether something like a universal basic income would actually be a net positive for society, but the fallacy that receiving a fixed income immediately means that people won't do something productive with their time is ridiculous. I can't imagine _not_ working, I develop open source software in my free time and I would spend more time producing s…

What do you consider as "productive"? Look at animals in a zoo, do they look productive to you? They have "a universal basic income", they simply don't need to be productive. Humans, just like animals, are productive when they are trying to achieve something (catch food, find mates, and for social animals to establish their position in a society which leads to food, mates etc.). E.g. you are developing OSS -- ask you…

> Look at animals in a zoo, do they look productive to you? They have "a universal basic income", they simply don't need to be productive.

They are also functionally in a prison...

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by pclmulqdq »

numlock86 wrote: post #630

People really need to accept AI as the useful tool it is and lay off the old grumpy "back in my day"-attitude. It's a disruptive technology and it's here to stay. Adapt and praise it for what it is ... and most importantly recognize what it enables you to do - instead of feeling challenged by it. Every profession that has tools that assist or take away certain aspects of it will enable you to put in more work and eff…

"AI" already came for most professionals with the arrival of computing/digitization. It has basically stripped the legal field down from a big pyramid (10s of associates per partner) to being more column-like (maybe 5-10 associates per partner: one of the law firms I use has a 1:1 ratio). It's not clear to me that there are fewer partner-level lawyers, though. I expect the same to happen with most creative fields, and programming, because of AI.

Basically, if you were hoping to coast by on mediocrity, you will be shown the door, but if you excel at something, the opportunity will be a lot greater.

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

DangitBobby wrote: post #252
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #50

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"The right moment to fire someone is the day before they become indispensable" It is not beneficial to human organizations to have indispensable members. You can argue it's not good for the mental health of the indispensable people either. When I first heard the quote in my first line, I thought it was cruel, inhumane and shockingly selfish on the part of employers. Nearly 30 years later, I see it almost entirely the…

Well it is needlessly cruel in inhumane. Why fire them? Train another cog so you have two identical cogs. No need to fire a working cog.

The correct strategy is to make sure they never become indispensable, not to fire them.

That sounds cruel - "I will make sure this organization can always function without you, so you have no leverage here" - but I do sincerely believe that it actually makes for a better working experience.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by [deleted] »

agentultra wrote: post #623
goodluckchuck wrote: post #602

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Capitalism is not an economic system, it is a description of fundamental economics. Countries can have a highly regulated form of capitalism where trade and ownership is strictly controlled… and they’re often called socialist or communist, or a laissez faire system. However, so long as people are using land, buildings structures, designing equipment… the laws of capitalism will apply.

Capitalism isn’t a fundamental law like the speed of light or thermodynamics. We can use other systems that suit our goals better. Even if it’s a better form of capitalism than what we’re dealing with now. This post-monetarist form of capitalism is killing people and this planet and enriching but a few. That’s not the kind of society most people want. A matter of time before there are enough have-nots and upheaval be…

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Post by vc8f6vVV »

jwagenet wrote: post #482
vc8f6vVV wrote: post #388

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I your work is not producing anything valuable for other people it's void and you will get bored pretty fast, it's a human nature. If it does you can always find a way to monetize it as people need it and ready to share their wealth for something they need. No, it doesn't have to be a work "for a company", but if you can't "make money off of this" it probably means your "work" is only relevant to you, or somebody els…

> I your work is not producing anything valuable for other people it's void and you will get bored pretty fast, it's a human nature I think this is plain wrong. There are plenty of pursuits that are “work” on the mental or physical side, but do not produce economic value. Developing artistry by mastering a medium or an instrument, climbing mountains, running ultra marathons, tending to a garden or bonsai, modifying a…

I didn't say "economic value". Let's take "modifying a vehicle" as an example. Will you keep it in your garage guarding it from anybody's sight? Why are you doing it? What's coming to your mind? It's not always as straightforward as "economic value". You want somebody to look at your vehicle, you want to show it to somebody. What for? Keep it in your garage, you are doing it for your "mental side", aren't you? Money and economic value is not the only way of keeping society together, there are others. If you are showing your vehicle to somebody, you _are_ expecting something in return. Acquaintance? Friendship? Help when you need it? Continue yourself.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by bayarearefugee »

qaq wrote: post #629
HyperSane wrote: post #450

The fact that so many people fear loss of income as a result of better AI is a real indictment of our economic system. A better system that more fairly distributed economic productivity would make people welcome better AI because they could be confident it would make everyone wealthier instead of just a few people rich enough to be Goa'uld.

Well maybe shift to "real world" professions will occur resulting in us addressing abysmal infrastructure and housing situation. I am looking at picking up a trade because of this coming shift.

I don't think people appreciate the mass disruption of a shift like this happening across so many industries all at the same time. This sort of professional shift works when automation comes for a subset of a single sector, but we're looking at an everywhere all at once situation. How many plumbers are we going to need, exactly?

I also don't think people appreciate the absolute social turmoil that will occur as a result of this because of our complete lack of planning for it.

Afraid you won't have a useful job due to the rapid rise of AI replacing vast amounts of knowledge workers? Get to work building guillotines. You won't be able to sell them for very much but you can make up for it in volume.

To the wealth class: Massive amounts of people don't just quietly disappear when they suddenly can't feed or house their families because they've been automated out of a job.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by oweiler »

Entinel wrote: post #83
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

This is a nice thought that isn't going to happen. AI will eliminate jobs and rich people will get richer while also widening the moat so you can't use that same tech to compete.

This is exactly what will happen. There will be no Star Trek like future.

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Post by yoyohello13 »

surgical_fire wrote: post #128
netbioserror wrote: post #86

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What a profoundly naive opinion. Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value. Many people claim their lives would be better if they never had to work, but they are bullshitting themselves with childhood naivete. Not working is a sucking void of boredom, nihilism, hedonism, and despair. I've been through some of that befo…

You should come here and find some meaning painting my fence. While you are at it, the toilet in the basement is clogged, there is shit water all over the place. You could find meaning there too.

Maybe if you didn't need to work you would have time to fix those problems yourself and get satisfaction out of doing something that directly benefits you.

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Post by Xelynega »

goodluckchuck wrote: post #602
nextaccountic wrote: post #576

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> I mean I think that's with every system a problem. Not just ours. This doesn't mean that different economic systems have equivalent or comparable problems. Just like you can have a worse economic system than today's global capitalism, you could, in principle, have better systems.

Capitalism is not an economic system, it is a description of fundamental economics. Countries can have a highly regulated form of capitalism where trade and ownership is strictly controlled… and they’re often called socialist or communist, or a laissez faire system. However, so long as people are using land, buildings structures, designing equipment… the laws of capitalism will apply.

> However, so long as people are using land, buildings structures, designing equipment… the laws of capitalism will apply.

Capitalism is the system where someone can claim ownership of land/buildings/ideas(typically due to prior ownership) aka "capital". If the laws don't allow someone to make and hold that claim of private ownership, how would the "laws of capitalism" still apply?

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Post by qaq »

spaceguillotine wrote: post #640
qaq wrote: post #629

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Well maybe shift to "real world" professions will occur resulting in us addressing abysmal infrastructure and housing situation. I am looking at picking up a trade because of this coming shift.

i did that, i got injured at work and now can't do physical labor. Trades are hell on the body and bosses will toss you aside without any care. Join a Union if you're gonna go into the trades, i would've had protection and better safety. I took so many people to the ER for work injuries that were preventable but the bosses skimp on everything.

What would you say is the safest trade as far as risk of injury ?
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