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Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by idopmstuff »

buildbot wrote: post #176
jlv2 wrote: post #154

There really needs to be a distinction between an actual recall (my Model S had one to change the latch on the frunk) and this type of "recall" that is nothing more than an OTA software update.

Why? It involves a safety system! That needs to be tracked publicly and updated! Nothing more than an OTA - does not mean much when everything is fly by wire and a bug could mean your car does not stop accelerating or something.

The suggestion wasn't that it should not be tracked, just that it shouldn't be called a recall, since they're not actually recalling your car to have something fixed.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by outworlder »

dmix wrote: post #501
clnq wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to me that calling it a "recall" emphasises the severity of the problem, which might make it easier to argue that a lot is being done for customer safety to the interested authorities. But I don't think Tesla wants this to be seen more than an OTA update from the perspective of their customers (at least those who ignore Tesla news). I had a VW car that was "recalled" shortly following the emissions scandal.…

The industry needs to come up with a new related term like "Software Recall" Recalling the hardware is a drastically more difficult request to impose on customers and financially/logistically for the car maker. That's a disporportate response just to highlight importance of an OTA update.

> Recalling the hardware is a drastically more difficult request to impose on customers and financially/logistically for the car maker.

And the distinction matters to consumers because...?

A component is faulty. It needs to be fixed. Whether or not you have to drive to a dealership, if it's OTA, if someone at a dealership needs to plug a specialized device to your car's OBD port, or the car is unfixable and needs to be melted to slag and you get a new one doesn't really matter. There's an issue, it is a safety issue, and it needs to be fixed.

How efficient the process can be it's another matter entirely. That's up to the manufacturers.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by ryantgtg »

Groxx wrote: post #277
ryantgtg wrote: post #150

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I had that update message, too, though I thought I was just installing that “adjustments to the steering wheel warmer” update. I don’t have FSD.

Crash -> fire -> steering wheel is warmed. Could still be related.

For sure. Just another genius move in Elon’s 4D chess game.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by outworlder »

jjk166 wrote: post #515
tsgagnon wrote: post #340

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This is the correct answer. The question is, how do we get better at regulating reality faster? I don't think "Use words that put a more positive spin for Tesla PR" is something regulators should be working faster on.

Inaccuracy is inaccuracy no matter in which direction. If an outdated law made it easier for Tesla PR to spin something in a positive light, would you consider that an issue?

There's no inaccuracy here. You are arguing about an implementation detail.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by sgent »

dmix wrote: post #501
clnq wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to me that calling it a "recall" emphasises the severity of the problem, which might make it easier to argue that a lot is being done for customer safety to the interested authorities. But I don't think Tesla wants this to be seen more than an OTA update from the perspective of their customers (at least those who ignore Tesla news). I had a VW car that was "recalled" shortly following the emissions scandal.…

The industry needs to come up with a new related term like "Software Recall" Recalling the hardware is a drastically more difficult request to impose on customers and financially/logistically for the car maker. That's a disporportate response just to highlight importance of an OTA update.

But other than Tesla, most carmakers still require a return to the dealer for a software update.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by chc »

outworlder wrote: post #642
dmix wrote: post #501

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The industry needs to come up with a new related term like "Software Recall" Recalling the hardware is a drastically more difficult request to impose on customers and financially/logistically for the car maker. That's a disporportate response just to highlight importance of an OTA update.

> Recalling the hardware is a drastically more difficult request to impose on customers and financially/logistically for the car maker. And the distinction matters to consumers because...? A component is faulty. It needs to be fixed. Whether or not you have to drive to a dealership, if it's OTA, if someone at a dealership needs to plug a specialized device to your car's OBD port, or the car is unfixable and needs to…

> Whether or not you have to drive to a dealership, if it's OTA, if someone at a dealership needs to plug a specialized device to your car's OBD port, or the car is unfixable and needs to be melted to slag and you get a new one doesn't really matter.

As a car owner, those scenarios are drastically different to me. I have a hard time imagining anyone saying "It doesn't really matter to me if my car receives an OTA update or if I need to drive 2 hours to a dealership or if my car is melted to slag."

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by vitaflo »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #366
QuercusMax wrote: post #289

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I work in the medical device space, and we will often have "recalls", which usually result in a software patch. Recall != return.

Are these delivered directly to the device and installed overnight automatically (like an iPhone iOS update) or do they have to be hooked up to a computer to install the software update?

Depends on the device. Some require connection to a host system, some can be done over the air. 100% depends on the security profile of the device in question and what the FDA allows.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by pbreit »

bigtex88 wrote: post #592
pbreit wrote: post #587

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One oil company?

You're trolling, aren't you? No one can be this stupid, especially not someone who reads this blog.

How so? I consider multiple creations substantially more impressive than one.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by pbreit »

bigtex88 wrote: post #590
pbreit wrote: post #564

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Arguably the greatest entrepreneur in history. Is that worthy of some praise?

Ooh I can argue against that! I mean, he's clearly not. He's more of a fantastically savvy investor than anything else. The man clearly does not run any of his companies because it's impossible to run 3 companies at once. Don't let him fool you. It is IMPOSSIBLE. There are clearly far FAR better entrepreneurs in history but if you keep fellating him I'm sure Daddy Elon will love you one day. You got this, don't give…

Care to name one or 2?

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by gxc33 »

dingle_thunk wrote: post #543
dmix wrote: post #501

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The industry needs to come up with a new related term like "Software Recall" Recalling the hardware is a drastically more difficult request to impose on customers and financially/logistically for the car maker. That's a disporportate response just to highlight importance of an OTA update.

Recall is just the wrong word for what this is.

'full self driving' is an even more incorrect term, then, if you want to be pedantic. if the car mfg takes zero liability/accountability, then it is zero self-driving.

you can, in fact, 'recall' software. this is semantically accurate description of what is happening.

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