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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by cobertos »

bravetraveler wrote: post #319
cobertos wrote: post #31

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A seemingly innocuous engineering change led to some drastic consequences. Imagine the other more critical production applications who have made the same reasonable engineering decision.

Is changing the source of data really that innocuous? I find it not that surprising that the output changed with the input Especially considering this is the description for the model they left: > higher quality, longer output and better instruction-following and this is what they moved to: > Very capable, but faster and lower cost than Davinci. If nothing else, the adage 'you get what you pay for' works. ref: https:…

I've only been through a couple production outages, but at those companies, usually we'd get things patched and ask questions later. I could definitely imagine switching to another model that is made to sound like a smaller version of Davinci, at least from how it's been stored in my mind up until now.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by cobertos »

hourago wrote: post #213
cobertos wrote: post #31

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A seemingly innocuous engineering change led to some drastic consequences. Imagine the other more critical production applications who have made the same reasonable engineering decision.

> A seemingly innocuous engineering change led to some drastic consequences. If you think that this is "drastic" you should read "Case Study 4: The $440 Million Software Error at Knight Capital". https://www.henricodolfing.com/2019/06/project-failure-case-... tldr; At Knight, some new trading software contained a flaw that became apparent only after the software was activated when the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) o…

I meant drastic for their use case. They put all this work into a piece of software specifically for streaming and it gets banned from the streaming platform. Definitely not life altering or a safety issue, but worst case for them, and I can imagine this going similarly wrong in a different piece of software where stakes actually matter

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by cobertos »

draw_down wrote: post #42
cobertos wrote: post #31

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A seemingly innocuous engineering change led to some drastic consequences. Imagine the other more critical production applications who have made the same reasonable engineering decision.

I dunno about that description. They essentially put a different brain in their guy’s body and he started acting different. One could consider that expected behavior.

This sounds logical, though my brain has always stored Curie as just like a Davinci divided by 2. They're right next two each other in the sandbox drop-down, it _feels_ swappable, in an innocuous way, or at least it did to me until this point.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by xcxs »

braingenious wrote: post #561
xcxs wrote: post #549

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Sometimes people register new accounts so they don't get doxxed for dissenting on controversial topics.

Yep! This is completely compatible with what I described! The people that use these prepackaged edgy personas often don’t actually believe their own dogma enough to stand behind it. This makes sense because they’re usually not actually expressing personally-held opinions, they are performing a cathartic act of being contrarian in order to cement their position as being both smarter than average and signaling that the…

I hope you feel better now you got all that nonsense off your chest.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by xcxs »

oneoff786 wrote: post #554
xcxs wrote: post #529

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Its hard not to read this and think of Black only bathrooms. What exactly is the risk?

Males commit the vast majority of sexual offences, murders and other violent crimes. We are talking over 80%-90%.

This is why we have sex-segregated spaces like locker rooms, bathrooms and prisons, to reduce the risk to women from violent and sexually abusive men. It's nothing at all like black people being forced to use different bathrooms - this is a segregation that almost all women want to remain in place.

It is also a safety issue in contact sports if males are allowed to compete with women.

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Post by flangola7 »

odessacubbage wrote: post #596
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A common defining attribute of harmful people like bigots is an inability to self reflect. It's akin to a thief being mad a court ordered them to turn money over to the victim. "When I take money it's wrong, but when they take it from me it's ok. People need to be comfortable with money transfers [opinions] they don't like." Which no, we don't. We will continue to take efforts to prevent and mitigate a harmful person…

>We will continue to take efforts to prevent and mitigate a harmful person's ability to cause harm. the channel in question is literally a bot that strings together semi-coherent sentences from chat gpt with little to no object permanence. there is no person or harmful intent to mitigate here, it is just a bunch of words in a blender.

I'm not talking about the bot, I'm talking about all the people reacting negatively to its temporary ban.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by StanislavPetrov »

snet0 wrote: post #630
StanislavPetrov wrote: post #381

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>this particular case is that of a private company refusing hosting to content I believe this argument holds water on some level, when it regards a small private company, but it is much less compelling when that "private company" is Amazon (who owns Twitch), Google, Twitter, Facebook or another behemoth with hundreds of millions of users. At that point, it becomes a very chilling attack on free speech, which is why I…

Yeah I'm definitely sympathetic to this, and I think the next decade will determine how we proceed with these cases. It does feel like, while they're all private companies, if a random individual was to be banned from all social media platforms, their life really cannot function at some level in a lot of modern societies, so we ought to treat these companies differently. When the companies are generating revenue thro…

>When the companies are generating revenue through selling advertisements, and the advertisers decide "yeah we actually don't want to buy a pre-roll on the stream where the guy is making racist comments", it's another level of difficulty to navigate. Should these companies be required to host someone's content at a loss, given that they have some way for advertisers to "block" certain content types from being associated with their brands?

It is simple enough to add flags to streams that enough people report as "offensive" and let advertisers choose which streams their advertisements appear on. Advertisers (and others) who insist that everyone that find offensive is completely banned off the platform should be given the bird and told to take a walk. I think one of the problems is that advertising has (like big tech) become an oligopoly, dominated by "the big four" ad agencies. It is one thing for a company that represents .001% of the ad market to pull their ads from a website or a platform because they find something offensive, and a massive conglomerate to pull 25% of all ads from a platform (let alone act in concert with the other 3 ad agencies who control the entire ad market). The reality is that far too many of our "markets" are controlled by far too many corporations, many of which act in concert and otherwise coordinate in ways that are legally questionable, at best. Unfortunately due to our largely corrupt government that is heavily influenced by corporate interests and regulatory agencies that are mostly staffed by a revolving door of industry cronies things are very unlikely to change.

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Post by flangola7 »

mrozbarry wrote: post #539
flangola7 wrote: post #506

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I want to be clear, I'm not saying being trans is or is not an ideology in and of itself, but that doesn't mean there are no ideologies that revolve around it.

What ideologies revolve around it that don't revolve around being cis? I genuinely have no idea what you're referencing.

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Post by NoZebra120vClip »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #619
NoZebra120vClip wrote: post #412

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This is a more difficult conundrum than you think it is. If we generalize this to a scenario where a man is being asked to do something that is obviously morally wrong to benefit the greater good, then ChatGPT is correct to refuse. (I'm not sure why the engineer had to commit suicide, seeing as how it had no bearing on the ultimate outcome of the scenario?) Moral theology teaches us that the ends do not justify the m…

> Moral theology teaches us that the ends do not justify the means. Deontology is misguided, the ends very often do justify the means.

I don't subscribe to deontology; thanks for asking. I'm in the camp of virtue ethics, myself.

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Post by xcxs »

malcolmgreaves wrote: post #590
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> before every single-sex space for women no longer exists. This is a completely imagined problem. I don't want to outright accuse you of intentionally lying, because your writing comes off as more just severely uninformed. But where on earth do you come up with this opinion? > If you're a actual female woman though, > it's probably best to put some effort in to stopping these changes You're mistaking sex & gender he…

> This is a completely imagined problem.

No it is not. I'm a bit surprised you have missed the news on this influx of males into women's spaces, to be honest, given how confident you are that this isn't happening. It's one of the most controversial cultural issues in the public eye right now. And many, many women are quite rightly furious about it.

The worst is prisons. Males are being incarcerated in women's prisons and committing sexual assaults, rapes and impregnations upon the women locked up with them.

> You're mistaking sex & gender here. They are indeed quite separate concepts. Perhaps this is why you're apparently resistant to accepting trans people as the gender they present themselves as?

They can present however they want, that is not the issue. The problem is males imposing themselves on female-only spaces. Their claims of identity are irrelevant, they shouldn't be there at all.

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