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Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by jjfoooo5 »

Yoofie wrote: post #151
jjfoooo4 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$8 won’t necessarily price out spam accounts. As a counter example, on Tinder there are many fake/spam accounts with premium membership.

But with spending money, you can theoretically have more information on the buyer which you can use to help identify and fight spammers/bots & their networks. For example, you can limit one twitter account per credit card or registered user (identified via payment method). If they are found to be spammers, you just kill the account and ban the payment account(s). They can still obviously work around this, but the cos…

You couldn't previously buy a checkmark, now you can. This opens new methods of attacking the network.

This move perhaps limits spam as practiced today, but the attacks that will happen once the network changes will be different in ways that are difficult to predict.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by dmix »

tptacek wrote: post #622
dmix wrote: post #564

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone seems to either be assuming King somehow cares about paying $$ instead of making a political statement and/or Elon was making a serious earnest reply to King, instead of being his usual needling shitposter self. Neither of which both of their histories supports. Stephen King will quit Twitter just as credibly as Jay-z “retired” from rapping.... like Elon Musk gives a shit about convincing a person worth $500…

I'm sure there's politics involved in the fact that King is the first person we're seeing in this public argument with Musk, but the dynamic he's talking about is apolitical and pretty obvious. For true celebrities, of which King is obviously one, Twitter needs them more than they need Twitter. Twitter should pay them to use the platform. Nobody has ever bought a copy of Carrie because they saw the blue checkmark nex…

Indeed I agree.

Musk hasn't addressed how he will compensate or at least incentive creators yet. Having a mainline stream of subscriptions certainly provides more avenues for such a thing.

So personally I think the compensation or promotional quid pro quo deals are a very different animal than checkmarks. Unless it means multiple tiers of checkmarks.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by deelowe »

pie420 wrote: post #568
pkulak wrote: post #454

Elon is the PM from hell. Has some shower thought and starts throwing tickets on everyone's board 45 minutes later. This is why the Model X has those silly doors.

The model X is also probably one of the most profitable and iconic cars in the modern era.

Isn’t it their worst performing model?

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by danparsonson »

pie420 wrote: post #568
pkulak wrote: post #454

Elon is the PM from hell. Has some shower thought and starts throwing tickets on everyone's board 45 minutes later. This is why the Model X has those silly doors.

The model X is also probably one of the most profitable and iconic cars in the modern era.

Iconic? To my eyes it's corporate memphis in car form.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by roflyear »

shitloadofbooks wrote: post #618
pie420 wrote: post #568

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The model X is also probably one of the most profitable and iconic cars in the modern era.

Do you have any evidence for "most profitable" at all? Looks-wise, it's basically indistinguishable from a Model 3 (which are everywhere), so hardly iconic in any way.

It is pulled out of his butt, the F150 sells 3/4 of a million a year (just the f150!) and makes on the low end a gross profit of $10k per sold. The model x sold about 7.5k cars in 2021, way down from the 20-30k it was selling each year.

OK let's say it sold $30k, and Tesla made a profit of $100k (more than the car sells for) for each car.

That's still less than 50% of the F150 yearly profit. LOL.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by soulofmischief »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #610
soulofmischief wrote: post #502

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This is normal for a community. These statistics naturally fall in line with the Pareto Principle, and the concept of the vital few. [0] > Twitter has nothing to do with "humanity as a whole". It's obvious that the group that uses Twitter is niche yet highly engaged. You are confusing posting on Twitter with using it. The vast majority are lurkers who still consume information and then regurgitate that information in…

> This is normal for a community. These statistics naturally fall in line with the Pareto Principle, and the concept of the vital few. The Pareto Principle is just a rule-of-thumb, it's not an actual law of anything, and is just an expression of power law dynamics. It's true that power law dynamics are common in most online communities, but 97% of content being created by 25% of users is staggering, a much stronger p…

> The Pareto Principle is just a rule-of-thumb, it's not an actual law of anything, and is just an expression of power law dynamics.

I never said otherwise.

> 97% of content being created by 25% of users is staggering

100% agree, it's just not surprising and is within a range observed in other communities. It's also unclear how many accounts constitute as active.

> I know very few people in my real life that actually use Twitter.

I don't know if most citizens necessarily hung out at the forum all day either, I'd be curious what percentage of ancient Greek and Roman populations made use of forums, and how frequently. If, besides commerce, discourse was often left to highly engaged citizens.

> I don't pretend that HN or other online communities I'm part of are somehow a vital resource for all of humanity.

I think positive networking is one of the most important activities our generation should be engaged in. We should be forming rich, useful and sustainable social networks which allow us to tackle problems at scale. A lot of serious relationships, companies, and ideas come out of places where similar minds meet such as Hacker News. Whether it's vital to some arbitrary societal metric is of little interest to me, as it is personally vital to my own life and I'm sure my individual experience is common enough to warrant nurturing.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by roflyear »

pie420 wrote: post #568
pkulak wrote: post #454

Elon is the PM from hell. Has some shower thought and starts throwing tickets on everyone's board 45 minutes later. This is why the Model X has those silly doors.

The model X is also probably one of the most profitable and iconic cars in the modern era.

You sure? The model x that sells like 10-30k cars a year is the MOST PROFITABLE CAR IN THE MODERN ERA?

When compared to cars like the F150 that bring in literally billions of dollars in profit a year?

Are you sure?

Oh, you're going to say you weren't counting trucks ;) Mercedes, BMW, Lexus still blow Tesla out of the water with their lineup.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by yieldcrv »

dan-robertson wrote: post #285

The dynamics on Twitter are quite weird. There’s a small number of users with potentially lots of followers for whom Twitter is an important part of their work or life. If you’re a journalist, being on Twitter is basically part of your job so maybe you should have to pay a bit more just like the customer of some business software ($100 pa seems pretty cheap there). Indeed maybe media publications should be paying for…

yep, just make account packages like a SaaS service

basic is free

oh you can pay to have your nft shown

then additional packages for people that want to use social media managers

that deal with impersonation

etc

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

ARandomerDude wrote: post #639
peter422 wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why YouTube is a platform with value and Twitter isn't.

Some dude just paid $44B for Twitter. Presumably that means it has value.

While true, that dude also tried super hard not to pay $44B for it.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by CivBase »

arkades wrote: post #445
paxys wrote: post #322

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That's the core problem with this approach. Elon and others have the idea in their head that Twitter is a social graph where people come to interact with each other, and everyone is relatively equal. So every user paying $X/mo to solidify their place in the graph makes some conceptual sense. In reality Twitter is more akin to YouTube than Facebook. A tiny percentage of users are creators while the vast majority are c…

Stephen King’s tweet on that topic, to summarize: “ $20 a month to keep my blue check? Fuck that, they should pay me. If that gets instituted, I’m gone like Enron.” https://twitter.com/stephenking/status/1587042605627490304?s...

> they should pay me

...why?

As someone who doesn't use Twitter, remarks like this have left me very confused. Clearly these people found Twitter valuable before. Does not having the checkmark make it less valuable? Is there an alternative service that provides similar value?

The blue checkmark is a service. Now they want money to continue that service. If you don't want it, don't pay for it. Leaving over concerns about Elon's vision for the platform makes sense, but I really don't get leaving over the checkmark subscription.

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