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Musk’s inner circle worked through weekend to cement Twitter layoff plans

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Anything having to do with twitter is not “direly needed”

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That’s not at all what happened.

In fact, my bet is Musk will find out shortly, if not already, that Twitter’s bans made a ton of sense and were extremely pragmatic, and had nothing at all to do with politics.

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I'm holding off my judgements on the Twitterverse until he has a chance to make real change. I don't particularly care for his attention span being focused on Twitter, I would much rather he focus on SpaceX and Tesla considering how successful his watch has been here.

This is unrelated but Tesla has no SUV, new sedans, hatchbacks, or anything that's even a concept. I thought it would grow into a larger car company with a more diverse offering.

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Twitter is already improved IMHO: The "sign in or sign up" nag screen is gone for me!

Love seeing the confirmation bias from people who expect Musk to improve Twitter on day one.

What? Confirmation bias comes when interpreting some random thing as evidence. This is intention change by him.

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> 1 hour of real work, couple hours of meetings showing your biases a little too much there, aren't you?

Nope. My biases are clear and well known, I dislike everything about Silicon valley and the culture of Silicon Valley. If I could make one plea to Elon, it would be to move Twitter out of Silicon Valley as fast as possible

Admitting you are bias doesn't remove the issue that you are bias.

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> Even laying off 25% of the workers would be hard to justify at this point. It wouldn't because we're in a downturn and Twitter was already planning layoffs.

Did Twitter already file a WARN act notice about the layoffs? If not, how can it be justified under that?

Correct me if I’m wrong but it all really depends on the contract. I understand there are labor laws in place but if the person agreed to something then I don’t think California law can do much.

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Twitters staff count has felt bloated at ~7,500 employees and I can’t help but think of “rest and vest” clips from HBO’s Silicon Valley, especially during Covid WFH.

Silicon Valley is not a documentary but entertainment.

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But you’re describing exactly what I mentioned above: engineers whose job is not code, per se . Yes, the super-senior engineer who cracks down on bad code by others and sets the right path, etc, is very valuable even if they’re not directly coding themselves. I’m talking about the engineers who are directly responsible for implementing features and fixing bugs. I.e., most software engineers. Sometimes a great enginee…

The question is who’s writing the code. A core part of a senior engineer’s job is helping to train and mentor junior engineers; it’s not unusual for an entire project to be designed and led by a senior engineer and implemented by more junior engineers. Design reviews don’t result in commits, deep dives on technical implementations don’t result in commits, negotiating an architecture change between groups don’t result…

This. Spending a productive, rewarding half a day pair programming with a receptive junior engineer who isn't sure how to approach a complex task nets them 1+ commits and you 0 commits. Spending half a day chasing after a "loose cannon" engineer who hastily committed bad code nets them 3 commits (the original bad commit, a rollback commit, and the fixed commit) and you 0 commits.

How do the individual stats look at the end of the month/quarter/Musk Layoff Review Period when these kinds of days are relatively common?

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This seems shortsighted. It's optimizing for what's easy to measure (sign ups) over what's hard to measure (brand, customer satisfaction, word of mouth).

Sign ups were directly correlated to revenue, at least in my case, and likely most others, such as in @joegahona's comment about publishing. That is to say, the customer satisfaction decrease in popups did not decrease revenue, and that is assuming there even was a satisfaction decrease at all; again, most technical users vastly overestimate how many people actually care about popups, most non-tech people simply clic…

This may be true in the short term but eventually more of these decisions begin to accumulate and cause more dissatisfaction. Each one on its own has barely any impact on the bottom line, it's just one more cut among a hundred cuts. In the end you end up with a product that is overall annoying to use. And the whole time you could be going along, measuring each decision and thinking that you're doing okay and no mistakes are being made. But measuring today with yesterday is not the same as measuring today with 3 weeks ago + 13 decisions reversed, 5 decisions reversed, 1 decision reversed.

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Can you cite where it’s been said he’s firing 25% (or any significant percentage) “for cause”? The only parties being cited as fired for cause are the outgoing executives, and WaPo article at the top of this post provides reasons for that.

There are Twitter employees tweeting out that they have been fired already. Whether it’s going to be 25% or not, it’s certainly not just outgoing executives. And the WaPo article states: “ The first round of layoffs, led by his lawyer Alex Spiro, will target 25 percent of the workforce”

You’re missing the distinction PP is pointing out, between “layoffs” and “for-cause firings.”

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Stories like this make like the employee protection I enjoy even more.

TANSTAAFL. (There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.) The downside of employee protections is that it makes companies more reluctant to hire. And also once hired, the salary to be offered is reduced to cover the estimated current value of the future employee protections. These are real downsides, particularly for young people who are trying to get a foot into the corporate ladder. I have even personally witnessed a…

> TANSTAAFL. (There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.)

Maybe not, but the world isn't zero-sum. Some things really do raise or lower the overall average.

> I have even personally witnessed a situation where a company evaluated a legal change to increase employee protections, and decided to layoff almost everyone in a particular country before the new law took effect. (The company was Pictage, the country was Argentina, and this was a bit over a dozen years ago.)

What was the law change? And how long would it have been before those employees were laid off otherwise? That's an interesting datapoint to hear about, but "employee protections" can mean many different things.

> So I'll take the up front downsides of at will over the hidden downsides of employee protections.

Unfortunately you don't get to skip out on the hidden downsides of at will either.

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