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Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by alehlopeh »

joaonmatos wrote: post #452
dham wrote: post #390

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Same, but if you're staring at an editor all day it has to look good. Atom did and still looks way better than VScode. VScode looks like a Microsoft product. You can also customize Atom easier than VsCode. Why even build on web technologies if you don't let your users change things. For instance you have to have an extension to custom load CSS and it's kind of a hassle. Heck even Sublime has an easier interface to ch…

Maybe I just have horrendous taste, but I just get GitHub Theme Light and am done with it. Do you tend to be nitpicky around aesthetics?

I really don’t think “selecting a color theme” qualifies as being “nitpicky about aesthetics.” But maybe I’m just nitpicky about aesthetics.

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by dharmab »

serial_dev wrote: post #606
ClawsOnPaws wrote: post #561

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Hey, Please don't forget about accessibility. Getting this right from day 1 will make your life a lot easier in the long run. If I remember correctly, I was never able to use Atom with a screen reader. Hearing custom UI already makes me nervous and I'm pretty sure I won't be able to use Zed with a screen reader either. Blind developers exist. Please don't forget about us. It's one of the few areas where we can actual…

How do other editors/IDEs perform in terms of accessibility? What are your favorites?

Visual Studio is quite good: https://youtu.be/94swlF55tVc

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by [deleted] »

theteapot wrote: post #555
folknor wrote: post #551

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Interesting! I just wanted to let you know my perspective, which is probably quite unique. I started using atom pre-1.0, a long, long time ago. I immediately jumped to vscode when I realised it existed. The reason is a bit weird; it's the find-in-files/project (c-s-F/Ctrl+Shift+F) sidebar search/replace feature. Compared to the Atom (and from what I can see in the youtube talk, zed has the same "problem") which opens…

> I code mostly in domain-specific, esoteric, private languages, no stdlib or docs, and no online resources to learn from. Jesus, who are you?

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Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by seoaeu »

john-titor wrote: post #627

Can someone explain the hype around VSCode to me? I looked into it about a year ago and was immediately turned-off by the overwhelming amount of features that they throw at you right in the 'beginner's tour'. What I appreciate about Atom is that it is very simple right out of the box and does not get in your way. You cold always beef it up with packages later, but that progression is much more pleasant to me than the…

The killer feature of VS Code for me is that when you open a source file for python, or C++, or whatever it pops up a dialogue: “would you like to install the extension for this file type?”. Click that and you’ve got working IDE features for that language with none of the hassle of tracking down which is the right extension, how do I keep my plugins up to date, which dependencies do I have to install first, etc.

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by zikani_03 »

faizshah wrote: post #51
jstx1 wrote: post #2

It's what kickstarted Electron which eventually gave us VSCode, Slack, and lots of HN comments about memory usage. It also had the sweetest default theme of any code editor. RIP.

Does anyone remember brackets? I cant remember if brackets or atom came first but I remember switching from sublime to brackets to atom. Good times, I heard DHH is still using TextMate.

Brackets was cool and will always be in my memory; made a close friend (who we eventually hired to become a co-worker) because I mentioned that I was working on a Brackets extension on a Facebook group.

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by redox99 »

dewey wrote: post #256
marricks wrote: post #177

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Also all have the same magnitude of latency and lag. At least you know if one of them bugs you, they all will.

There's a bunch of Electron powered apps that feel really snappy, definitely faster and snappier than some default apps Apple ships on macOS these days. Examples for me would be: VSCode and Linear

A few Electron apps are acceptable. But it's still very noticeable how less responsive they are compared to Win32 programs.

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by dghlsakjg »

Already__Taken wrote: post #552
nathansobo wrote: post #300

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We plan to make Zed extensible via WebAssembly, but we're taking a different approach than we did with Atom. Our goal is to make Zed fast, stable, and collaborative first, extensible second. We'll be taking a more conservative approach with our APIs to ensure we can preserve our core values even as users add extensions. Our goal is for Zed to have the lightweight and snappy vibe of Sublime with the power of a more fu…

IMO the leap from sublime to vscode was because the extensions made it so welcoming & bultin. I think the next leap from that is by-default sharing of those extensions and config. WASM might be able to do that coupled with security defining execution. We need a trusted mechanism to share what git-hooks promised without thinking about it. Like you said, collaborative. If extensions lock down the files they will touch…

VScode offers workspace settings that you can check into git that will get picked up by anyone else using vscode on that repo.

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by hbn »

chad_strategic wrote: post #522
PascLeRasc wrote: post #445

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3rd actually, Sunrise was a fantastic calendar app. Microsoft is a blight on the world.

Thanks! Sometimes it feels like I live all alone with my hate for Microsoft/Gates, but I'm glad I'm not alone.

Really?

It's hard to find anyone who'd say they overall like Microsoft as a company. VS Code is one of the very few things Microsoft has made that people actually like.

I recall reading a comment here recently that they've actually create an entirely new generation of children who hate them by recent changes to Minecraft. Supposedly they forced everyone to migrate their accounts to Microsoft accounts, and in the process wiped a bunch of save files.

Microsoft happens to every generation at some point!

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by ternaryoperator »

easrng wrote: post #595
foldor wrote: post #573

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My guess based in my experience would a MUMPS developer for someone like Epic or Meditech. That code gives me nightmares whenever I see it.

Still can barely believe MUMPS is real tbh, first saw it on TDWTF and I thought it was a joke at first.

Coming from today's world, sure. But in 1966, a language with a built-in database was a godsend and there were no standard language conventions to adopt (C was still several years away and only COBOL and Fortran were in wide use).

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by ClawsOnPaws »

serial_dev wrote: post #606
ClawsOnPaws wrote: post #561

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Hey, Please don't forget about accessibility. Getting this right from day 1 will make your life a lot easier in the long run. If I remember correctly, I was never able to use Atom with a screen reader. Hearing custom UI already makes me nervous and I'm pretty sure I won't be able to use Zed with a screen reader either. Blind developers exist. Please don't forget about us. It's one of the few areas where we can actual…

How do other editors/IDEs perform in terms of accessibility? What are your favorites?

My favorite is VS Code by far. I use it daily. They recently also added a bunch of sound cues to help figure out if code is folded or a line contains an error. It's pretty great. Auto completion reads well, the parameter hints read, even the built-in terminal works. So overall I'm really happy with it.
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