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Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by petre »

rnk wrote: post #638
petre wrote: post #626

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What other option is there when the government is tone deaf? They do it in France for other things and it's quite legal when there's a union behind it. And what will the government do if the truckers finally throw in the towel like they did in the UK (or maybe it was Polish and other Eastern European truckers who chose to operate on the mainland after Brexit)?

That's not what happened in the UK. There was demand for a lot of truck drivers, in the past there were a lot of immigrants who would work for low wages, but they brilliantly cut off those workers, suddenly they were not enough truck drivers. There hasn't really been this big "I am anti-vax mandate and I'm not working thing" that some people are fantasizing about.

I never said anything about mandates in the UK, probably because there weren't any. But they did cut off the truck drivers in a different way and it's not the only labour shortage they'll experience due to brexit. This is how governments create artificial labour shortages.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by pseudalopex »

throwawaysea wrote: post #289
ed25519FUUU wrote: post #125

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It doesn’t help that they intentionally conflate the two issues by defining “anti-vaxxer” as anyone who “opposes regulations mandating vaccination”. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer

FYI Merriam Webster is among the worst dictionaries. They are highly activist and have redefined words repeatedly to suit the progressive/far-left political platform. A couple examples (but there are more): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52993306 https://www.dailywire.com/news/merriam-webster-suddenly-alte...

They added systemic oppression of a racial group to the 3 definitions of racism they already had. Do you deny this is a common meaning?

LGBT people objected to sexual preference since the 1980s at least.[1]

[1] https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1986-07-23-860223...

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by yreg »

Method-X wrote: post #440
yreg wrote: post #334

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How do you know the long term effects?

I’m vaccinated. How do you know the long term effects of mRNA vaccines?

The Bayesian probability leans heavily toward the vaccine being safe and the virus dangerous.

From what we are seeing the vaccine side effects are similar but considerably milder and short term, the virus sometimes has long term negative effects (lung capacity, fatigue, weakness, inability to concentrate…)

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by graublau »

elipsey wrote: post #460

I must be the only person here who doesn't already know about these trucking protests; I'm having trouble establishing the basic facts of what is in dispute. Who exactly is required to be vaccinated? It seems like the fraction of truckers who engaged in cross-border trucking with the US were subject to a Canadian federal vaccination mandate, which applied to some workers in the transportation sector as well as many f…

Regardless the trucker topics, the dispute around media bias is very solid to me. We have a good deal less variety than the US, CBC is very “metric” driven, click bait. It is kind of like if NPR was the main source of news for everyone. Regional news is drying up fast, to boot. There isn’t really “other news”.

“Kitchen sink” finance, inflationary issues are also a big part of the protests imo

It’s also quite frankly a massive dance party, which people have been missing out on

ie protest is (right now) seemingly a bit of a conservative mishmash, not just trucking dispute

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Post by scollet »

rabuse wrote: post #377
SECProto wrote: post #285

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A friend was shoved into a snowbank by a protester because she wore a mask. I was verbally assaulted for the same while skating on the canal. They're not peaceful.

BLM protestors were going around pouring drinks on diner's heads, and eating their food off their plates, then assaulting them. GoFundMe had no issues with that.

I doubt that.

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Post by scollet »

hintymad wrote: post #631
defaultname wrote: post #198

This sort of discussion never goes well, but using GoFundMe to finance occupations, especially across national borders , is an incredibly dangerous game. If a GoFundMe to harrass and harangue Ron DeSantis -- to effectively sponsor people to park outside his home and blast horns, among other things -- would he be okay with that? How about if Canadians paid millions for people to park on US interstates? Is that okay? T…

I thought the real issue was that GoFundMe didn't initially return the money to the donors, instead they gave the money away to a charity, or so they claim.

They never did that.

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Post by scollet »

throwawaysea wrote: post #249
defaultname wrote: post #198

This sort of discussion never goes well, but using GoFundMe to finance occupations, especially across national borders , is an incredibly dangerous game. If a GoFundMe to harrass and harangue Ron DeSantis -- to effectively sponsor people to park outside his home and blast horns, among other things -- would he be okay with that? How about if Canadians paid millions for people to park on US interstates? Is that okay? T…

The thing is BLM protesters broke laws. They started fires, destroyed businesses, trapped drivers in tunnels, attacked police, set fires in people’s homes, and declared an autonomous zone that claimed to secede from the country - and this is just from my city. GoFundMe happily allowed them to be funded while Facebook and Twitter happily allowed them to organize. Driving trucks and using the roads as they are meant to…

People supporting BLM have a real issue to defend, and 400 years of precedence.

It's not the same; it's not even close.

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Post by graublau »

throwaway4aday wrote: post #487
PierceJoy wrote: post #367

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They have attacked police. They have had dance parties on war memorials. They threw human shit at a home with a pride flag in the window. They assaulted people for wearing masks. Healthcare workers are now told to remove any indications that they work at a hospital for their own safety.

> Healthcare workers are now told to remove any indications that they work at a hospital for their own safety. This seems like a really weird narrative. Why would people who are protesting vaccine mandates be against healthcare workers? They aren't the ones keeping the mandate in place. There's a tenuous connection with them being the ones to administer a vaccine if someone decides to get vaccinated but it's not like…

Yeah, I think post Trump 2016, CBC took a very activist-oriented approach which hemorrhaged their cultural trust. They got pushback and then dug in further. There’s no self reflection at all.

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Post by scollet »

Ekaros wrote: post #303
culi wrote: post #298

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Remember when Trump called antifa a terrorist org? I hope we've learned by now to stop taking the "terrorist" label seriously

Antifa is a terrorist organization. They have political goals that is fighting against political stance and they are trying to achieve this by violence.

Antifa is an ideology. The obvious choice is to support antifa because we've seen what profa does, and they are much more violent.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by philliphaydon »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #560
throwawaysea wrote: post #249

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The thing is BLM protesters broke laws. They started fires, destroyed businesses, trapped drivers in tunnels, attacked police, set fires in people’s homes, and declared an autonomous zone that claimed to secede from the country - and this is just from my city. GoFundMe happily allowed them to be funded while Facebook and Twitter happily allowed them to organize. Driving trucks and using the roads as they are meant to…

But they didn't tho. The people that did that were criminals taking advantage of the situation and lack of police. BLM protestors where nonviolent except when police tried to push them back and silence them. Sure they took over areas, but that's what happens during social movements. The damage was greatly exaggerated unrealistically by right wing news media.

When I watched the live streams on twitch, I remember one video where the police were just standing there doing nothing, the protesters were yelling abuse. The police just stood there. It wasn’t until the protesters started throwing bottles and setting a car on fire that the police got involved.

There were videos live streamed by people in the groups who were smashing the windows of the power company, going inside and destroying everything.

I don’t believe anything was greatly exaggerated or unrealistic when this was live streamed by people doing it.

Most of the protests were peaceful. But there was a lot of damage and a lot of violence not started by the police.

(I’m not American and don’t live in America, but I watched too many hours of the live streams while it happened)

Edit: twitch had streams of people streaming multiple streams. So 1 twitch stream was showing about 15 live streams happening at the time.

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