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Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by tut-urut-utut »

emn13 wrote: post #623
DeWilde wrote: post #602

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> JR sold his catalog of intellectual property Not entirely correct, it is a licensing deal, with exclusivity to Spotify. JR is still the owner of the IP, however, it can only be distributed through Spotify. But your point still stands, Spotify chooses what they will distribute, which is okay. My only gripe, in this whole Spotify/Rogan saga, is with the mainstream media that sees Rogan as a threat to their business m…

Let me go off on a slight tangent: Should all jokes be taken at face value? Communication is a complex business, and surely what's literal is largely irrelevant; what matters is what is communicated; i.e. what a recipient learns from whatever signals you transmit. JR is deceptive not because every spoken word he says taken in isolation is false, but because the way he frames and presents various sources leads listene…

This applies to almost any media outlet in the world, even your comment here. For example here you framed JR as the only person doing framing to push his agenda.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by treeman79 »

hnarn wrote: post #505
codeivore wrote: post #491

Earlier quoted context omitted.

imagine if someone could tell you what you can't not publish on your own website this is the new "freedom of speech" sentiment

> what you can't not publish Is this double negative intentional? Freedom of speech has never meant the right to force platforms to broadcast your message. Nobody is violating JR’s free speech, Spotify is just acting within the framework of the agreement they made with JR. Whether that involves only the podcast itself or limits on what he can say regarding their interactions, we don’t know because the deal is not pub…

Platforms are starting to form practical monopolies. Google controls searching for content. If they don’t like the topic you will never be found. They routinely suppress anything on the right.

Hosting that can handle load and hackers for normal people is extremely difficult.

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Post by misiti3780 »

qaq wrote: post #136

I think this will lead to outcome that few people cheering for this are anticipating. Musk, Thiel etc. will back an alternative platform that will host JRE, Lex, Jordan Peterson etc. and in the long term it will win due to being less restrictive. Which in the long term is prob a positive thing.

I completely agree, and I really hope it happens.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by jjulius »

aneil wrote: post #501

Jesus. A lot of indiscriminate nuking of content with the Feb 4 date. Tim Ferriss, Comedian Russell Peters, Dan Savage, Giorgio Tsoulakis (the "It's Aliens" guy), Kyle Kulinski. What a shit show. I'd love for someone to get Neil Young's take on this now.

And maybe, ya know, Spotify's reasoning before we assume that all of these removals are Young's fault.

Edit: Oh look, it's not just because Young made a stink about COVID shit, imagine that...

>Rogan went on Instagram Saturday to discuss the content of the old episodes, addressing two videos on social media of him saying a racial slur and another where he described a Black neighborhood as being similar to the Planet of the Apes movie.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/more-than-70...

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by nradov »

emn13 wrote: post #623
DeWilde wrote: post #602

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> JR sold his catalog of intellectual property Not entirely correct, it is a licensing deal, with exclusivity to Spotify. JR is still the owner of the IP, however, it can only be distributed through Spotify. But your point still stands, Spotify chooses what they will distribute, which is okay. My only gripe, in this whole Spotify/Rogan saga, is with the mainstream media that sees Rogan as a threat to their business m…

Let me go off on a slight tangent: Should all jokes be taken at face value? Communication is a complex business, and surely what's literal is largely irrelevant; what matters is what is communicated; i.e. what a recipient learns from whatever signals you transmit. JR is deceptive not because every spoken word he says taken in isolation is false, but because the way he frames and presents various sources leads listene…

Could you please give us some specific examples of Joe Rogan being deceptive with direct quotes in context? I've only ever listened to a few episodes but I'm always suspicious of vague allegations with no evidence.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by jmull »

istinetz wrote: post #522
hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

I'll try to explain why I have an issue with what is happening here. Yes, I agree with almost everything you said. However, the issue is that platforms are consolidated. Depending on your chosen format of content, there are only 2-3 viable platforms to reach people - and for some types of content, only one. And if those very small number of platforms decide to, or are pressured to, delist content or a content creator…

> I'm seeing kindacensorship everywhere and it. is. bad.

Everyone isn't always going to agree with you, and they have their own rights.

You're having a hard time articulating what you mean because it doesn't really make sense. If you can force someone to publish and promote something they don't want to, they can force you to publish and promote something you don't want to. The cause of liberty has not been served if this happens.

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Post by notapenny »

digitcatphd wrote: post #470

I fail to see how anyone can seriously listen to Joe Rogan. He has a circus of quacks and conspiracy theorists on the show and when he does occasionally have a legitimate scientist he can barely muster any response beyond “wow that blows my mind”

"I fail to see how anyone can seriously listen to Joe Rogan".

Maybe you should start there. It pays to learn to empathise with and try to understand other people. You don't have to like someone else, but its not that hard to see why people do listen to his podcast. You don't have to be that dismissive of other people.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by wincy »

flippinburgers wrote: post #509
jcims wrote: post #250

I grew up around evangelical Christians. The negative reaction to Rogan *feels* exactly like the clucking and tutting about 'dangerous ideas' that I've heard from the more cellophane elements of that crew.

The thing that is so hard for me to wrap my head around is that it is the LEFT who is doing it this time. I never would have imagined my "team" being the one to do it. In fact, I have to wonder what it is that I "am" anymore.

I had this crisis several years ago with the whole "Jordan Peterson controversy". I found myself listening to a man who told me how to get out of my depression when everyone around me thought he was an evil bad man, but they were all miserable people who definitely didn't help. So I stopped hanging out with them. My life got objectively better, too. I wouldn't consider myself a Jordan Peterson fanatic, but that was when I really realized I wasn't whatever the "left" wanted me to be.
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