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Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by mundanevoice »

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #439
DCKing wrote: post #20

Thanks Google. Think I’ll be buying this. I want as little to do with Google’s services as possible in my life, but they really deserve credits for making a modern usable smartphone that is reasonably open. There is just one single feature I will be buying this for - the 5 years of software updates. While good image processing is definitely a pro, all of these software you’re presenting features I really don’t give a…

One doesn't have to dream. Flashing a rom on google-branded phones is so simple, a non-tech person can follow a 5min youtube video to do it. The Nexus 6 from 2014 can have the latest android running on it - not just security updates. And unlike an iphone, it has a build that disables some eyecandy that keeps it actually usable and fast. As I understand it if you run the last supported ios on an iphone 5s, with all th…

> Flashing a rom on google-branded phones is so simple, a non-tech person can follow a 5min youtube video to do it Lol, this reeks of how little you understand how much a non-tech person is capable of. A vast majority of Android users won't bother or know how to flash the ROM.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by sincerely »

BoorishBears wrote: post #611
lostmsu wrote: post #599

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most common scenario I have is switching from RSS reader into web browser for the full article and back. This is also about 50% of what I do on the phone that's not scrolling web pages vertically.

Isn't that just swiping left and right on the bottom of an iOS device? (Switches between your current app and last app for reference)

I've been using iphones for a decade and had no idea I could do this...not sure if it's a me problem or an apple problem but discoverability of gesture based shortcuts seems like a difficult challenge

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by ece »

ece wrote: post #527

It's a bit disappointing that ARM v8.3-v8.5 has some security features that aren't available in even this custom SoC (PAC/BTI/MT), and they would still help with a JIT. The size increase on the 6 from the 5 is also :(. I still like what I saw, and I hope Google's able to get to shipping kernel updates through the play store.

* Yes I know these ARM security features were pushed by Apple, and existed before that in software through grsec in similar form mostly.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

DCKing wrote: post #20

Thanks Google. Think I’ll be buying this. I want as little to do with Google’s services as possible in my life, but they really deserve credits for making a modern usable smartphone that is reasonably open. There is just one single feature I will be buying this for - the 5 years of software updates. While good image processing is definitely a pro, all of these software you’re presenting features I really don’t give a…

> Finally here’s a seemingly good Android phone with 5 years of support - from the only phone vendor outside of Apple who appears to give a damn about that aspect.

FairPhone 4 not only promises 5 years of android software updates but also has 5 years of warranty, There are more reasons to trust their words than any of the other phone manufacturers.

• They are not profit focused but rather towards sustainability, They have been delivering their promises consistently for 8 years and so it's not an idealistic vaporware.

• They produce the most repairable smartphone using components sourced from conflict free areas. Parts for repair are available directly on their site, Parts for FairPhone 1 are still available.

• Their factory workers get living wage bonus, Of course do not employ child labor while preaching humanity.

• They have first class support for alternate operating systems i.e. We are the owners of what we buy; So support from alternate OS like Linux, Sailfish or even android ROMs like LineageOS could exceed even the official 5 years support.

FairPhone4 hardware is competent enough for average daily use, Only drawback I see is that the phone is available only in Europe. Then again Google Pixel phones have been notorious for being available in only couple of countries.

[1] https://shop.fairphone.com/en/

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by saiya-jin »

Thorrez wrote: post #593
riversflow wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>2. Apple does not already have the ability to run whatever code they want, on any of your devices, without you ever knowing This is what I don't understand about the whole argument about this CSAM debacle. I've read quite a bit of the discussion about this, as I'm someone who takes privacy fairly seriously, and it never really gets discussed. Could someone maybe point me in the direction of some literature about thi…

There are tons of academic researchers, jailbreakers, privacy watchdogs, journalists, government organizations, exploit developers, tinkerers, and hackers of all kinds who would go wild if they found Apple doing malicious stuff on iPhones. Now if Apple developed a special update that they sent to only a few choice targets, that might be able to go under the radar.

That can be said about any manufacturer of any electronics, and yet here we are in 2021 when practically all manufacturers have been caught doing highly immoral things in their devices, Apple notwithstanding.

You can wrap intrusions in form of 'think about the kids' (what is used here), think about security/terrorism and so on. This playbook has been used ad nausea, isn't it about time to learn?

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by nothis »

vincnetas wrote: post #587
Sodman wrote: post #224

I hate the trend that the "pro" versions of all these flagship phones need to be an XL Phablet monstrosity. Human hands haven't gotten any bigger. I have owned most of the Nexus & Pixel phones throughout the years. After having the Nexus 6 as my daily driver for 2 years, I have always opted for the smaller option ever since. I would totally pay flagship prices for a regular ~5.5-6" phone with flagship specs, and I'm…

thats why im still sticking with iPhone SE from 2016. this phone has perfect shape and size. no camera bump so it can be used without case and enjoy its perfect shapes. and also it costs 50€ so i don't need to worry about dropping it. it basically costs less than phone case for new iphone. and it still supports latest ios (not for long though)

Team SE! I miss absolutely zero features on it, which is bizarre for a pocket computer. What happened in these 5 years?

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by distances »

tdrdt wrote: post #289
DCKing wrote: post #20

Thanks Google. Think I’ll be buying this. I want as little to do with Google’s services as possible in my life, but they really deserve credits for making a modern usable smartphone that is reasonably open. There is just one single feature I will be buying this for - the 5 years of software updates. While good image processing is definitely a pro, all of these software you’re presenting features I really don’t give a…

Germany tries to push for a 7 year minimum update policy in the EU. If the EU agrees this will be very interesting for the smartphone market. 5 years of security updates is already great.

I agree. Three years is clearly too short. After five the battery would usually need replacing, but the devices being what they are, one probably opts for a new phone.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by L_226 »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #644
DCKing wrote: post #20

Thanks Google. Think I’ll be buying this. I want as little to do with Google’s services as possible in my life, but they really deserve credits for making a modern usable smartphone that is reasonably open. There is just one single feature I will be buying this for - the 5 years of software updates. While good image processing is definitely a pro, all of these software you’re presenting features I really don’t give a…

> Finally here’s a seemingly good Android phone with 5 years of support - from the only phone vendor outside of Apple who appears to give a damn about that aspect. FairPhone 4 not only promises 5 years of android software updates but also has 5 years of warranty , There are more reasons to trust their words than any of the other phone manufacturers. • They are not profit focused but rather towards sustainability, The…

I bought a Fairphone 3+ 10 weeks ago, and just got a refund because they cannot build any units. I really wanted this, I guess I will continue to wait for the librem5

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by simonh »

spacebear wrote: post #466
simonh wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At any time they could implement a new feature in iPhone to do anything, yes that's true, and yes they could be flat out lying that this is how it's implemented. They could be lying about the whole thing. If they'd implemented it on their servers, they could still have taken that code and later put it on their phones and run it on whatever photos they liked. Come on, now you're really going off the rails. What we're…

I think that they can do that is the problem, though? If you don’t like the way Google is running things, you can swap out the OS on your Pixel for one of several open source privacy-focused Android forks. But if Apple does something to iOS you don’t like, you’re stuck with it.

That's got nothing to do with CSAM, or this change and isn't anything new. If we're going full tinfoil, Android manufacturers could force update, lock down or brick your Android phone any time they like anyway. If you allow remote updates, which I think we generally all want for security updates, it's all about trust.
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