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Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Hearing "Exclusively on Spotify" on any podcast ad is a sure-fire way to make sure I never listen to an episode. One of the great features of podcasts is the flexibility in listening platform and I'd really rather not switch to Spotify's substandard user experience.

+1 I actively avoid listening to podcasts on Spotify because I strongly disagree with them trying to take over the one type of content that remains fairly open and not locked in to any particular platform

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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post #393

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The claim isn't that he was a gateway to the alt-right _by having only a certain kind of guest_, or anything like that, so that's not really a counterargument.

Yeah, you can be so open-minded that every piece of drivel just slides easily through your mind. That isn't being well informed. You actually need good filters and know what they're based upon. Props to Bernie for taking the battle to the middle ground though and not preaching only to the choir. He kind of got shit on for that as well.

Joe will be the first to say he isn't well informed at all and that's yet another reason why he likes having long conversations with all kinds of people. He's incredibly transparent and authentic, and that's what people seek more than anything. It's the reason for his rise along with many others building independent followings now.

Whether you like him or not, or agree with his views, is entirely subjective. But it's interesting to see how much control people want over others by the topics and conversation they want to prevent and suppress, and those actions speak far louder than words.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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post #300

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The CDC has repeatedly made misleading statements though. In particular, the CDC recommended against the use of masks early in the pandemic, which may have caused many thousands of cases and deaths. More recently, they've been wishy-washy on masks again. Backflipping repeatedly on whether vaccinated individuals should wear masks.

The various health authorities told people not to use masks at first because: Hospitals were in danger of running out of protective equipment. The public was panic buying anything and everything. Remember empty grocery store shelves? Price gouging people who were hoarding all the hand sanitizer? When those circumstances changed, so did the advice. There's no one on earth who gets everything right first time, and thus…

> The various health authorities told people not to use masks at first because: Hospitals were in danger of running out of protective equipment.

We pay the CDC. Not the reverse. And we don’t pay them to give us socially engineered advices depending of the politics or economics of the day. We have other federal organizations to screw up that part of our life already. And it always ends up badly when you don’t tell the truth to people. Never in history we never came to conclusions “What a relieve we lie to the people.”

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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post #300

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The CDC has repeatedly made misleading statements though. In particular, the CDC recommended against the use of masks early in the pandemic, which may have caused many thousands of cases and deaths. More recently, they've been wishy-washy on masks again. Backflipping repeatedly on whether vaccinated individuals should wear masks.

CDC is working with limited information on a novel virus. As they are learning more they are shifting their guidance to match the current understanding about how the virus spreads.

Then why don't they convey their uncertainty? Seems like the bare minimum. Also, they clearly lied about their reasoning in the initial guidance not to wear a mask, you can understand why people would mistrust them and a public health agency lying to the public at the start of a pandemic is ill-advised yet no one has faced accountability for that deceit.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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post #294

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Please don't spread confusion about what "free speech" means. I'm sure you are not actually confused about this, so please do not pretend to be. Having some people not appear on a given podcast is not a "free speech" issue. Choosing to not be a dangerous idiot by having dangerous idiots on your show during a pandemic is not "censorship" or anything remotely close to censorship as it is commonly, and correctly, unders…

> Please don't spread confusion about what "free speech" means. I'm not confused. > Choosing to not be a dangerous idiot by having dangerous idiots on your show during a pandemic is not "censorship" or anything remotely close to censorship as it is commonly, and correctly, understood. When someone decides for me that "dangerous idiots" should not have a voice -- for whatever justification -- I'm against them having t…

They weren't opinions. I stated facts about what "free speech" applies to, and what it doesn't. You pretending to not understand it does not change those facts. Neither does your repeating your contrary-to-fact, silly assertions, which have nothing to do with actual government restrictions on speech.

Let me just reiterate this, on the one-in-a-million chance that you actually don't get it: Joe Rogan can restrict the speech of whomever he fucking wants, for ANY reason, and that does NOT constitute any actual restraint on anyone's "free speech" rights.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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post #429

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Pretty sure they used fake ads, but it’s a good precedent anyway. Edit: and yes the album is available on Spotify in full.

The whole album was supposed to be a play on a pirate radio station if memory serves, and a damn good one at that. Probably my favorite Who album honestly (besides Live at Leeds, of course).

Uhhhh I'd have to take Quadraphenia in any best Who album list...I think I've bought it at least 6 times in like 4 formats and I can still listen to it end-to-end without effort.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Milo Yiannopoulos is a self-proclaimed white supremacist, that offends more than "the progressive attitudes of Silicon Valley," it offends everyone that's not a white supremacist. Alex Jones testified to being a performance artist and hosts a talk show purely to hawk merchandise. Does that really fit the mold of a thought-provoking podcast like Rogan's?

What happened? Liberalism used to have a solid footing on the essentials of the constitution. If your enemies or people you don't like don't have rights, you don't either. The ACLU used to understand this probably better than most organizations and today, like much of CA and NY, they're lost.

> The ACLU used to understand this probably better than most organizations and today, like much of CA and NY, they're lost

This is a line I've read from texts dating back to at least 1973 by conservative authors, nearly verbatim.

I think cultural mores change and conservatives have a hard time adapting.

Alternatively, they've simply been dishonest with themselves since just after WWII -- start with the nonsense about FDR allowing Pearl Harbor to happen -- because they believe the ends justify the means.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Comedian Bill Burr said it best: "I'm not gonna sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree, with an American flag behind you smoking a cigar acting like we know what's up better than the CDC." [0] That quote is Joe Rogan's shtick in a nutshell. [0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=tSKVXl-WnrA&t=5m20s

“Stop worshiping the comedian I don’t worship!”

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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post #382

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>You can fast forward but it's a gigantic pain in the ass. Does Spotify not support FF == skip 10 seconds forward that every other podcast player does? I have genuinely no idea, but it wouldn't surprise me.

When playing podcasts, Spotify skips 15 seconds forwards or backwards. When playing music, it skips to the next track or the start of the current track. But you still have to actively skip ads, which is annoying.

Especially while driving. I've shut off podcasts because I can't sit there listening to the same 2 minute interview-style ad for the 10th time.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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post #451

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It's odd, though, that Rogan's podcast only started doing mid-episode ads after the move to Spotify. Prior to the move the only ads were at the beginning of the episode.

Maybe analytics indicated that people were skipping the first chunk of the show to avoid the ads. I know that is a common feature of other podcast players.

Maybe that's one of the benefits of having a podcast on Spotify. They can probably collect fine-grained analytics compared to an RSS-based client.
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