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1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by rgovostes »

des1nderlase wrote: post #572
rgovostes wrote: post #233

Scott Forstall, who led iOS until 2012 and oversaw the creation of the App Store, once said that he installed a new app every day to see what new ideas developers were coming up with. The mass migration of apps to the subscription model has killed this sort of exploration and discovery of new apps. As one example, I recently looked for a flight tracker and many wanted more than $30/yr for a tool that is (to me) an oc…

> I don't know the solution to adequately compensate developers for their work but I hope the subscription mania goes away. There are ways, but nobody seems to bother to provide usage-based model. Similar to how cloud providers figured multiple usage plans. I have a feeling that many apps live off people paying but using service really low, so there is no incentive. What's stopping them to offer a different price for…

Microtransactions were a big craze at one point. I suppose if my my package tracker cost 25¢ per package, I wouldn't be too upset. My ad blocker tells me it blocks about 25,000 resources per month, maybe $0.00005 per ad?

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by maxharris »

jl_agilebits wrote: post #580
stock_toaster wrote: post #507

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> requiring two separate teams of platform developers for every feature we needed to implement So your margins are more important than your users’ native experiences. Got it.

The primary issue with having two separate teams for the same platform was not money, it was time. To be clear: we wanted to build a native app in parallel with our cross-platform Electron solution, and we had the developers to do it. But unfortunately, having an additional team that needed to implement the UI for every single new feature was a significant slow-down, and we collectively realized that we could not mee…

Your deadlines are irrelevant to us. We want native UI

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by maxharris »

jl_agilebits wrote: post #411
neon_electro wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi, long-time user, customer, and word-of-mouth recommender of 1Password for the nine years my Hacker News account has been active (give or take a few months). This is a big announcement that I'll have to chew on to understand what this means. Can you quantify the "needless development churn and hassle for both customers and our support team" in some way? Presumably, 1Password 7 and its ancestors used native macOS AP…

> Can you quantify the "needless development churn and hassle for both customers and our support team" in some way? Sure, happy to elaborate on that! Since we were rebuilding our app from the ground up, it was a significant slow-down on development to create a user interface for both Electron and SwiftUI, requiring two separate teams of platform developers for every feature we needed to implement. There were also con…

Please let us know if you run into any problems or have suggestions on how we can improve.

Okay, I have a suggestion: drop Electron and keep supporting the native app you have.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by _dot__dot_ »

deadpanPotato wrote: post #473

They said that 97% of their users are already on subscriptions. I get that local vault users are disappointed, but there's an app for you and it's called Bitwarden. I think 1Password made a smart business decision. By cutting loose the need to support local vaults, they can focus more development energy on other things that 97% of their users will appreciate. It's a numbers game. That said...Electron? Ugh. I already…

> They said that 97% of their users are already on subscriptions.

It is quite obvious from the response here that 97% of their users who are actually paying attention to these issues are not on the bandwagon. They should rephrase it as "we could fool 97% of our customers into switching after years of misdirection and misinformation".

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by _dot__dot_ »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #2

I actually don't have a problem with this, but I do have a problem with press releases that are sprayed with emojis. It's incredibly unprofessional and gives a real amateur flavor to the whole thing, which for security software is really offputting.

Another problem with emojis is that it is not clear what it means to different people. Recently read in the WSJ that young people find smiley faces passive-aggressive or patronizing, not friendly or positive.

Admittedly, there is a similar problem with words, but there are at least dictionaries for them. :>

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by _dot__dot_ »

aeturnum wrote: post #288
maxharris wrote: post #7

1Password used to be native on the Mac, and now it's an Electron app. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

> Subscription business models I think a subscription business model is the only honest way to sell software that will require ongoing support. If you're comfortable with a snapshot w/o updates, then by all means buy once, but I think coming to terms with the demands of ongoing support also means coming to terms with continuing to support the product in some way. That said, I wish there were more variations in the wa…

I don't quite see why free bug fixes/minor features + paid major upgrades model should be any different from subscription model for developers, except giving the users control over when to upgrade. Control that is essential for apps that contain critical data.

BTW, I think they do have an option that you pay for 3 years upfront. At least, that was one of the options they mentioned when I complained about the lack of the option to buy a license. To me that did not seem an acceptable solution because you pay upfront and still have all the drawbacks of the subscription model such as being dependent on the trustworthiness of a quite obviously untrustworthy company. Add to that the removal of local vault option, and it becomes even less acceptable.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by selykg »

rdschouw wrote: post #313
thunderbong wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is probably an edge case where the fields in the browser cannot be identified by their ids/classname. In this kinds of a scenario, you can set extra fields (and their corresponding values) in Bitwarden after inspecting the field elements in Dev tools.

No he means that Bitwarden's extension does not remember state. When you go back and forth between the form and opening the extension window, you always start at the default page. It does not remember you had an item open before. This happens with your credit card for instance which is typically not linked to a particular url.

This is one of my annoyances as well. Copy the credit card number... go to paste it. Come back and you have to find the credit card again and then copy the next bit... then go paste and when you come back you're once again presented with the full list so you have to go find the credit card again.

I've found just opening the main app to be a better solution in these cases, but it sure is annoying.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by neon_electro »

jl_agilebits wrote: post #411
neon_electro wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi, long-time user, customer, and word-of-mouth recommender of 1Password for the nine years my Hacker News account has been active (give or take a few months). This is a big announcement that I'll have to chew on to understand what this means. Can you quantify the "needless development churn and hassle for both customers and our support team" in some way? Presumably, 1Password 7 and its ancestors used native macOS AP…

> Can you quantify the "needless development churn and hassle for both customers and our support team" in some way? Sure, happy to elaborate on that! Since we were rebuilding our app from the ground up, it was a significant slow-down on development to create a user interface for both Electron and SwiftUI, requiring two separate teams of platform developers for every feature we needed to implement. There were also con…

I'll be trying out 1Password 8, but what are my options if I'd like to continue my subscription and stay on 1Password 7?

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by dkonofalski »

tuxone wrote: post #492
dkonofalski wrote: post #466

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>there is literally zero added value with the subscription Hard disagree. Any security-focused software will have plenty to keep up with between OS changes, browser changes, site changes, new UI patterns, and even simple bug-fixes that you don't get from single purchases.

1P 6 running pretty well on last macOS makes your statement wrong. The fact that you pay a monthly fee doesn’t guarantee you anything you described. In fact there are plenty of feature requests that 1P team has just ignored over the years. Not only there is no upside but actually the missing local vault is an horrendous downside.

If they stop updating 1Password and the app has vulnerabilities then there is a huge advantage to it and, therefore, my statement is not wrong.
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