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Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

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Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

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I am not sure why one would care about what Linus, or the person he is talking to says, Neither is an expert in the field.

It doesn't really take a rocket scientist to understand why people care about what Linus says on 'Hacker News'

I wouldn't actually care what a rocket scientist has to say about mRNA vaccines either.

Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

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Isn’t Katalin Karikó the inventor of mRNA vaccines?

Something's not adding up here

Seems pretty clear after some legwork. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine Robert Malone was first to the scene developing RNA vaccines, Katalin Karikó "attempted to solve some of the main technical barriers to introducing mRNA into cells" and "solved one of the key technical barriers by using modified nucleosides to get mRNA inside cells without setting off the body's defense system." Because the powers that be ie Media, Academia favor and cover Katalin she may be nominated for the Nobel even. Malone to date goes unacknowledged in most cases just like we've seen so often in so many discoveries. Katalin herself supposedly agreed that she made improvements on the works of others but news stories rarely if ever reveal the "others". Perhaps sooner rather than later, credit and acknowledgements will come.

Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

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> [...] lots of people see what looks like the "story changing", and distrust anything coming out of their government, [...]. Changing and updating our beliefs as evidence comes in is a fundamental ability that underlies numerous activities from scientific research to debugging software to driving on a congested road network. Why is it a problem for public health officials to update and change policy as we learn more…

The problem is that the a large chunk of the population aren't scientist so they don't understand the principles of the scientific method. And they aren't software developers, they don't have the mindset for it. And have you seen the way many people drive? There is a reason why the term "defensive driving" was coined.

Enrico Weigelt whom Linus responded to is at least one of those things.

Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

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> [...] lots of people see what looks like the "story changing", and distrust anything coming out of their government, [...]. Changing and updating our beliefs as evidence comes in is a fundamental ability that underlies numerous activities from scientific research to debugging software to driving on a congested road network. Why is it a problem for public health officials to update and change policy as we learn more…

> Why is it a problem for public health officials to update and change policy as we learn more about the virus? Because when it comes to persuading hundreds of millions of people, it is often better to be certain than to be right or to flip-flop. That's a fact of leadership, regardless of whether you or I as scientists like it. Also, they didn't just revise their statements with new information, they actively lied (t…

What's the alternative? Be honest?

The moment a governor goes in front of cameras saying "no need to hoard toilet paper" is the moment right when everybody rushes and hoards toilet paper. So they tried saying "toilet paper does not work". (Not literally, but I'm using it as a metaphor for masks, obviously.) That strategy backfired a bit, but worked better than outright saying "Don't buy masks cause front-line workers need them". Had they said that then next day front-line workers wouldn't have gotten any.

The only alternative I see is to remove the necessary supplies from the free market and put them under government control so that front line workers get them no matter what the mob does. But in freedom land, the free market is holy, so that doesn't work over there.

Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

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> If it’s my megaphone I’ll do what I like with it, particularly if what you want to do with it is likely to incite violence or spread (for example) dangerous health misinformation during a pandemic. Got it, so if we don’t agree with how something is used we shut it down. Republicans attempted this before with bakeries, so I guess this means it’s ok now? And the inciting violence thing, you realize that’s a left beli…

If it’s my thing and I don’t agree with how you’re using it - 100%. Particularly if you’re (for instance) spreading medical misinformation during a pandemic. Not sure what your point even is here any more.

The content being spread should not matter. Humans are not so perfect they’re never wrong. There was even an article recently about youtube removing content of MDs and PhDs doing research on COVID treatments. Yet they were removed for not fitting the mainstream ideas. So when you’re doing new research how do you discern the difference between misinformation and new information when you’re literally on the edge of what’s known? This implies the person doing the removal of content knows more than the SME. Do you see the problem? Not to mention historically it doesn’t work out well for those “burning books”

Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

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Because we don’t force people to get all vaccines to travel. Requiring a vaccine passport for the covid vaccine forces people to get it, which is the real reason people are advocating for it.

I'm pro the passport thing, at least for travel, so life can go back to normal and I can say fly from UK to Italy and back without 5 pcr tests and 10 days isolating in spite of being basically immune. At least the EU are bringing them in in a couple of weeks and I imagine other countries will follow. The EU one I think allows for immunity from catching covid so if you are anti vax and want to go that route you can.

Hey great! Then you should be allowed to get one to avoid those tests and the rest of us that doesn't want one should get subjected to the tests. I'm ok with that!

Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

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> There is a vast gulf between what is preached and what adherents do or don't do. Oh ffs evidence plz.

30 year war, Ahlam Tamimi bombing, wars of suppression against Bön

> 30 year war

Hmm yes that's a time the catholics created that most don't agree with. It's widely considered a time when evil ruled the religions. And biblically there will be religions that do not follow what is preached. Which is what I said. Nowhere in Catholicism or Christianity does it preach hate or war. Now how people interpret things are up to them.

> Ahlam Tamimi bombing

This would be that one religion preaching that if people don't convert, kill them.

> wars of suppression against Bön

I have not read the Bonop canon, so can't speak for this. This could either be a group not listening to their faith, or yet another preaching hate.

Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

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> Unfortunately shaming such people will only push them further into antivax territory. We welcome any better suggestions. Have you ever tried to have a respectful, adult discussion based on facts with antivaxers?

At least once a week, I have an adult discussion based on facts and lived truths with antivaxers, many of whom are registered nurses in the US. Why are they labeled antivaxers by society (that's usually my first question). The response generally comes down to the greater society not understanding the negative health outcomes from the routine vaccinations nursing and other hospital staff have to undergo in the US. I'l…

You are guilty of a rhetorical trick. It goes like this. Some expert in ___ holds this position because he knows all about ___ wherein the person is am expert and does indeed hold the belief. The implication is that he holds the belief which is absolutely true but leaves out the fact that the belief is not only a minority position amongst the general population but even more so amongst experts meaning expertise leads one to reject the position.

The flu vaccine very very rarely causes vasculitis and almost all cases resolve favorably. One meta study of the literature identified 65 cases ever.

Meanwhile it's not unusual to see 20-60k annual deaths in the United States.

Statistically not getting a flu vaccination for fear of vasculitis is like not wearing a seat belt in case one wants to escape the car quickly in case one happens to get out quick in case you decide to drive into a lake today.

You have misunderstood the figures on flu vaccinations. It's commonly 30-60% effective at preventing infection. If this was just true about the under 65 it would still mean fewer under 65 able to spread it to 65+ but fortunately it isn't true.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/vaccine-benefits.htm

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

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