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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by thescriptkiddie »

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

Both pickup trucks and SUVs, electric or not, are a public health hazard. However, only one of those has deliberately tried to run me over.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

elihu wrote: post #606
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #501

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>you can't really get small pickups that size anymore Write your representative and tell them to thank the EPA and NHTSA for doing their jobs. The death of the small pickup is squarely the fault of the confluence of fuel economy and crash safety regulations.

> Write your representative and tell them to thank the EPA and NHTSA for doing their jobs. It seems like those regulations aren't working they way they ought to if the result is to encourage people to drive bigger cars than they need and to have more cars on the road that minimize the safety risk to the occupants while maximizing risk to everyone else... > The death of the small pickup is squarely the fault of the co…

Thanking them for doing their jobs was sarcasm. The chicken tax existed for decades and small pickups were fine though I'm no fan of it in principal.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by [deleted] »

goshx wrote: post #532
Dah00n wrote: post #424

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That's quite funny as just today the newest magazine from the local version of Consumer Reports came out and Tesla was rated pretty bad and this in total score (dealer rating is way worse). Tesla is rated on par with brands like Kia and Suzuki: https://ibb.co/TgKvP2g But of course Ford is even worse here but not in the dealership rating (which I of course can't find atm. as it were in last months issue)..

Consumer Reports is known for being biased against Tesla, so take their information with a grain of salt.

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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by cpwright »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #293
Someone1234 wrote: post #277

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Most of the gas F-150 sales are crew cab models, so it makes sense not to target that relatively small niche. The long-bed was popular back when people owned a truck as an extra vehicle/work vehicle only , now many use their truck as their main vehicle and have need of carrying others. If you look at the creature comforts of older bench seat trucks (bare-bones) and the trucks sold today, a truck today will have every…

The supercab F150 has serviceable back seats. There is no need to gimp the bed with an oversized crew cab.

I have a supercab and I am happy that I have the 6.5' bed to go with it, I can lay 4'x8' sheets flat with the tailgate down. Combined with a backrack/hitch extender I can get 16' long lumber.

The backseat is passable with my dog and kids, but barely. If they were able to take some room from the front where there is no engine and give me both a reasonable bed and a crew cab I would be happy.

A lockable frunk is pretty attractive though so that you don't have to worry about leaving tools in the bed.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by GordonS »

dahfizz wrote: post #594
y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #583

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I see a lot of "rent one for a day" type of comments. I paid $4k for a 93 F150 a couple of years ago. I live on a 1/4 acre lot in the suburbs and just the amount of stuff I've hauled to my small property over the last two years would've far surpassed the $4k in rental charges. Mulch, compost, rocks, lumber, etc. Lots of back and forth with not knowing whether I'll need more or not... so many unknowns in-between. Take…

All of the "just rent a truck for the day" comments are from city dwellers who can't imagine a lifestyle different from their own.

Not all. I live in the countryside (rural Scotland), in a house with a decent sized garden, and only need something as big as a pickup or van 1-2 times a year at most.

Same deal with almost everyone I know nearby - the ones with a pickup I know are farmers, or one guy that's honest and just likes the aesthetics and the way it drives (and it counts as a "commercial vehicle", so it was some kind of tax dodge too).

I get it's indispensable for a farmer or business owner, but for for the vast majority (not all, obviously) of regular folks, even outside of cities, it's really not needed.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by shard »

eldaisfish wrote: post #408
ben7799 wrote: post #349

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Right the stereotyping here is ridiculous and full of out of control virtue signaling. If you live in an apartment complex it's ridiculous to have a truck. But Even if you own just a reasonable suburban house with a small amount of land you need to do a lot of dirty truck type jobs every year. I only have half an acre of land, but due to tons of trees I have yard work every year that causes me to have to do many many…

this is a weak argument on several levels. if you need to move things five times a year, rent a pickup truck. Unless you're moving things on the regular, there's no point owning a very inefficient and heavy vehicle.

This is also an argument against most people owning a car larger than a subcompact like the Honda Fit.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by ummonk »

leesec wrote: post #616
Rebelgecko wrote: post #545

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At least for my use cases, I think Ford actually has an edge over Autopilot. Any car with adaptive cruise control and autosteering is gonna behave identically to a Tesla with autopilot for 99% of the time behind the wheel. Ford doesn't do lane changes or summoning, but from what I've seen both of those features have some jank with Tesla and I wouldn't use them. The big pro of Ford's system is that on some highways/fr…

"Any car with adaptive cruise control and autosteering is gonna behave identically to a Tesla with autopilot for 99% of the time behind the wheel." This isn't even close to true. Most LKAS and ADAS systems will only last a few seconds before they require human intervention. It is not at all the same experience.

Autosteering / lane-centering (which is increasingly standard in driver assistance technology, including bluecruise which will be available on this truck) is not the same as lane-keep assist.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Teknoman117 »

Koshkin wrote: post #369
ben7799 wrote: post #349

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Right the stereotyping here is ridiculous and full of out of control virtue signaling. If you live in an apartment complex it's ridiculous to have a truck. But Even if you own just a reasonable suburban house with a small amount of land you need to do a lot of dirty truck type jobs every year. I only have half an acre of land, but due to tons of trees I have yard work every year that causes me to have to do many many…

> If you live in an apartment complex it's ridiculous to have a truck. There's nothing "ridiculous" about people loving their toys. (People often own things not because they need them, but because they want them.)

I drive an older "full size" SUV ('04 Ford Expedition), mainly because my parents' gave the thing to me when I graduated college. It's fairly easy to work on, so I kind of just keep the thing running. The fuel economy is very bad (like 17 mph highway, 11 in the city), but it's one of those situations where even if I bought a new car with double the fuel economy, it'd take me over a hundred thousand miles of driving to make up the cost difference in fuel savings alone.

It's also really nice to be in a situation where literally everything I own can be moved with it. Strapped my box spring / bed frame to the top of it once.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by reedjosh »

dahfizz wrote: post #594
y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #583

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I see a lot of "rent one for a day" type of comments. I paid $4k for a 93 F150 a couple of years ago. I live on a 1/4 acre lot in the suburbs and just the amount of stuff I've hauled to my small property over the last two years would've far surpassed the $4k in rental charges. Mulch, compost, rocks, lumber, etc. Lots of back and forth with not knowing whether I'll need more or not... so many unknowns in-between. Take…

All of the "just rent a truck for the day" comments are from city dwellers who can't imagine a lifestyle different from their own.

And the comments completely ignore that means a return trip for the rental too. When you do as many trips as someone in rural/burbs with fixer houses, that's completely impractical.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by FPGAhacker »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #278

I get to eat my hat somewhat. I hope it's tasty. Just a few days ago I made the comment that the Cybertruck's killer feature is it's $40K price tag, if and only if that price tag actually happens. I said that Ford could not make a decent EV F-150 at that price point unless they throw their dealerships under the bus. And here we are with a $40K EV F-150. I'm glad I added the caveats though -- the $40K F150 is for comm…

I like Ford and have driven mustangs for 30 years with a short gap where I had a truck.

Just a preface to say I’m not hating on Ford in particular here, but the msrp is bogus. I can nearly guarantee that the actual base on a vehicle you can actually by will be $10k higher once a dealer is involved.

Edit: side comment, wow 800 plus comments on an F150 hacker news submission. Did not see that coming ;)

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