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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by bra-ket »

sixothree wrote: post #623
singlow wrote: post #330

If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…

That's not how the human brain works. Repeat a lie often enough and it become true no matter how analytical you pretend to be.

so true, repeating false accusations against Trump for 4 years ( of 'racism' and other made-up evils) worked marvels for the Dems.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by bofadeez »

its_simple wrote: post #626
owlbynight wrote: post #418

This is Orwellian bullshit. And I'll take it because I think the alternative is leading to a few greedy assholes using analytical data to successfully weaponize millions upon millions of uninformed people against logic and common sense. Do we add restrictions to voting to weed out people who habitually vote anti-facts? No. Disenfranchisement. Do we make fake news illegal? No. Censorship leading to state run media. Do…

I don't need some pythonistas doing sprints telling me which videos I should or shouldn't watch when I'm getting high, yes or yes?

Shout out Tim Dillon?

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by sakopov »

So, maybe I'm not understanding something, but there are numerous reports from what appear to be reputable sources -- a few listed below -- claiming that there were uncovered missing votes during recounts in Georgia. However, there isn't a word said about this on CNN, MSNBC or any other heavily left-leaning media sources. The only sources that I hear talking about this are on YouTube. I don't give a shit if I get downvoted for saying this, but when the damn Atlanta news channel says there are uncounted votes how the hell does the left not take an issue with this? My goodness, this is the beginnings of a banana republic.

[1] https://www.ajc.com/politics/recount-finds-thousands-of-geor...

[2] https://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics/another-georgia-county-h...

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #420

If we don't have a meaningful signature match, than we don't have a meaningful way to prevent fraud with mail in ballots. Period. Bad ballot Rejection rate of 6% in previous election to now 0.02%, with mail in ballots. Mismatched signatures resulted in a rejection for only 0.02% of all absentee ballots cast. How is that even possible. They counted almost everything. For those of you that think its unfair to reject ba…

> How is that even possible.

It's not true.

This is a myth that's been spreading online about Georgia absentee ballots. Long story short:

* The 6% number from 2016 comes from taking into account ballots that arrived late.

* The 0.02% number from 2020 is actually 0.2%, and only takes into account ballots that arrived on time.

The signature rejection rate in 2020 was actually very similar to the rates in 2018 and 2016.

So as usual, these claims are simply bogus. But even if there were problems with the signature matching system, the time to raise objections would have been before the election. Attempting to throw out millions of ballots after the election over these issues is absurd and anti-democratic.

1. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-georgia-rejecte...

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by scalablenotions »

singlow wrote: post #330

If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…

That doesn't match how good researchers find quality information. Critical thinking is a ponderous tool, and can even be counter-productive in isolation. Efficient research techniques should be taught in school, with attention to awareness about personal biases, assessing sources of information and cross-referencing

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by frenchy »

jl2718 wrote: post #612
singlow wrote: post #330

If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…

In my 'education', I can't think of a single element of the historical record that was presented through conflicting accounts of contemporary sources. One side is simply labeled as evil and ignored, but, as far as I know, nobody has ever agreed with this characterization of themselves. Evidence too, if at all, was always used to support a narrative account of events, rather than to eliminate possibilities until a par…

My history education was mostly one-sided like this in primary school, but not in secondary & post-secondary school. Perhaps the difference is that I wasn't studying in the US, but I don't remember any grave epistemological chaos.

History is full of things that can't be proven. We'll never be able to know for sure if the (battleship) Maine was destroyed by Spanish sabotage or if it was simply a tragic accident. Or take for example, the question "Did Germany start WWI". It sounds like a yes or no question, but the reality is far more complicated. Failure to understand this complication causes real problems (in this case WWII).

edit: removed American sabotage theory regarding the Maine, as it is rather unlikely.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by sieabahlpark »

sixothree wrote: post #623
singlow wrote: post #330

If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…

That's not how the human brain works. Repeat a lie often enough and it become true no matter how analytical you pretend to be.

Stop with this bullshit. Evidence is evidence and people should be taught to expect evidence rather than blindly believing words.

Even your statement here is an evidence of propaganda. Just because you repeat a lie does not make it true it makes it commonplace. Much like the earth is flat and the many hundreds of years of things said by the various churchs.

You do nothing to improve the situation and only seek to destroy information and belittle people into treating them like mere children incapable of discerning information themselves. That's what's called propaganda and you're taking part in it.

Treat people like adults who have the mental depth to actually have a conversation not open vats where you can just throw info in enough and assume anything said becomes true.

You know what really works when you repeat a lie enough times to make it believable? When you delete anything that calls into question that statement. Which you happen to be for and yet you should be against it because it makes it so "authorities" are able to say things and be automatically trusted and assumed to be fact, can't argue that they're wrong now, can you?

You literally cannot defeat racism, fascism, or oppression using racism, fascism, or oppression. It just flips who the fucking person or group fucking doing it.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by wwright »

sakopov wrote: post #643

So, maybe I'm not understanding something, but there are numerous reports from what appear to be reputable sources -- a few listed below -- claiming that there were uncovered missing votes during recounts in Georgia. However, there isn't a word said about this on CNN, MSNBC or any other heavily left-leaning media sources. The only sources that I hear talking about this are on YouTube. I don't give a shit if I get dow…

Because the recount did exactly what was intended (found missing votes) and the result didn’t change?

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by pdabbadabba »

muttantt wrote: post #176

This is ridiculous. Regardless of your politics, this is just going the wrong direction. Where was this policy when the other side was pushing the Russia collusion narrative for years?

The problem with this comparison is that there actually was significant evidence of collusion with Russia. If you read the Muller report you'll see it all over the place. Here's a summary: https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/guide-to-the-mueller-repo.... Reading the actual report would be better, but it is very long. Trump's repeated claim that Muller's report somehow supported his claims of "no collusion" is simply fiction. It did the opposite.

You may have a reasonable higher level point out selective application of the rules, but this is a bad example.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by freeone3000 »

rglover wrote: post #378
bradenb wrote: post #105

Doesn't this just feed into people's fears about conspiracies? I can't understand why people are signing off on this. Let the Like/Dislike button do its job.

Because the conspiracy is real. These are not stupid people. The goal isn't to limit misinformation, it's to limit information. This sets a precedent to allow for more extreme limitations. It's certainly frightening to consider, but any intellectually honest person needs to contemplate the reality that mega corporations, media companies, and governments do not have your best interests in mind, and that yes, they're w…

Hell yeah. I'm all for it.

I think we can all agree that putting information on the internet was a mistake. Ask Google who invented running, or how many legs a horse has. The answers are clear, authoritative, and obviously wrong.

And they make billions of dollars. We're expected to believe some Podunk in the middle of Podubkstan has more access to facts? Please.

The internet, as in its companies and its users, cannot separate truth from fiction. Thus, we need to simply remove all facts. An internet without the pretence of truth would be a much more honest place.

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