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Apple unveils M1, its first system-on-a-chip for portable Mac computers

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It sucks that the SSD is (presumably) not upgradeable anymore. Apple generally charges a ton for the larger SSD offerings, but it used to be that you could just buy a base model and replace the thing later.

Use external drives. They're cheaper and way larger.

And slower. And one bumped cable away from corrupted data.

No thanks, not for my boot drive.

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I can't see how something that tiny can compete in any meaningful way with a giant nVidia type card for training. I'd imagine it's more for running models that have been trained already, like all the stuff they mentioned with Final Cut.

Isn't it better to rent a cloud with as many GPUs as necessary for a time needed to train the model? I don't know state of things in ML.

For productionizing/training massive models, yes.

But in the development phase, when you are testing on a smaller corpus of data, to make sure your code works, the on-laptop dedicated chip could expedite the development process.

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I can't shake the feeling that they try to pull a fast one. For example, Mac mini: 3x faster CPU than the old one, and 6x faster in graphics. At the same time 5x faster than the "top selling PC desktop". What is the top selling PC desktop that it's essentially at the level of a 2018 mac mini, or below? Is that desktop at the same price level? Also: People who use graphs without numbers on the axis should be shot on s…

The slide doesn't say it, but the speaker said "in the same price range."

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Processor speeds are not necessarily a good comparator anyway given that things like caches and core counts are a thing.

To first order processor speed is a very good indicator of performance when comparing similar core count products.

If the CPUs being compared are of similar generations (e.g. Intel 10th gen vs. Intel 11th gen, etc.), I agree. But trying to compare across distinct generations is a bad idea.

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If you compare the M1 Air and Pro, the only difference seems to be the addition of the Touchbar, 10% better battery life, and a "studio" speaker/mic on the Pro. https://www.apple.com/mac/compare/ I assume the addition of a fan on the Pro gives it better performance under load, but there doesn't seem to be a hugely compelling reason to not just get the Air.

I think they got it wrong. I would pay money to NOT have the touchbar.

Air doesn't have a fan, so if you want consistent performance, you have to buy the touchbar.

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Apple's A series chips have been decimating the competition in phones for years now, what makes you think they can't do the same in this space?

The fact that, like in most industries, it's easy to catch up and very hard to beat once you do. It's very telling that Apple didn't compare their M1 with something like AMD Zen3.

They don't use AMD processors in their current products. It would have been a meaningless comparison to their customers.

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Not just that. At 5nm there will also be yield problems. I.e they will put the best yield into high end and the worst yield into low end.

That’s what “binned differently” means btw.

Interesting that commenter knew the process but not the terminology.

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No 32GB options on any of the models announced today is a shame. Or not I guess as it means I won't be buying anything today M1 looks impressive, hopefully it scales as well to higher TDPs. Pretty much what I expected today with all the low power models getting updated. With no fan I expect the Air will throttle the CPU quickly when using the high performance cores. Calling it an "8-core CPU" is a little cheeky IMHO…

> Or not I guess as it means I won't be buying anything today Honestly, people who don't use their computers as Facebook machines or have very specific things they want to do with the ML engine should probably stay away from Arm Macs for a couple years. There's bound to be plenty of software that doesn't work or doesn't work well, Docker will have ~limited usefulness until more and more people publish Arm images, etc…

Will Apple to transparent emulation (x86-on-ARM) or just not run x86 binaries?

Re: Apple unveils M1, its first system-on-a-chip for portable Mac computers

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If you compare the M1 Air and Pro, the only difference seems to be the addition of the Touchbar, 10% better battery life, and a "studio" speaker/mic on the Pro. https://www.apple.com/mac/compare/ I assume the addition of a fan on the Pro gives it better performance under load, but there doesn't seem to be a hugely compelling reason to not just get the Air.

I'm confused of their new pricing scheme / spec tiers for Macbook Pros. There's no more core i7 for Macbook 13. You have to go to Macbook 16. I'd rather get a Dell XPS or other Core i7/Ryzen 7 ultrabooks. So now, spec-wise, Macbook Air and Macbook Pro are too close.

    There's no more core i7 for Macbook 13
Sure there is – you just have to select one of the Intel-models and customize the processor.
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