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I'm fully with you. I have one more point to add: 13. I'd like to work on some spreadsheets from my couch. Damn...guess I'll buy a laptop again.
I _don't_ want to work on spreadsheets from my couch. In fact, I don't want to be able to work on spreadsheets on my couch. I want my couch to be a completely spreadsheet-free area!
I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers
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With a docking station it’s not problem at all.
So a couple hundred dollars extra. For functionality that has existed since forever.
Obviously there's a tradeoff, but the point is you can get many of the advantages of both fairly easily.
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If your fans are noisy, buy BIGGER fans. The larger the diameter of a fan, the lower the RPM it can spin at to move the same amount of air (same cooling capacity) as a small fan. Provided you can put the air where it's needed (e.g. a 1 foot fan can't "focus" air onto a 6 inch radiator) a larger fan will just about always be quieter and more efficient. Oh, and having a water cooled PC with the radiator and fan inside…
Your parent commenter is talking about AIOs, which are premade water cooling systems. Fixed radiator, hard connected to a pump. Nothing you can route out of your PC. And historically, bigger case fans have been problematic, those 200mm fans they tried to introduce some years ago. Bad static pressure if I recall correctly? Also, I wouldn't call having a radiator and fan inside the PC silly. The case eats a lot of the…
The hoses aren't welded steel, you know.
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I love desktops, but I have to admit that it's pretty great having a built-in UPS. To get the equivalent for my desktop is an extra $200+ and a big honking box that apparently will only last for 30 minutes when the power goes out.
The power goes out for a day, sometimes days, every year in my neighborhood when the wind blows. Finally fed up, I recently had a generator installed that attaches to the natural gas line. I know that purchase was effective, because a week after it was installed there was a big storm and power went out everywhere except my neighborhood. Just having a generator successfully wards off power failure, you never have to a…
Hmm. Is this something I can buy at Home Depot or something?
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Ignoring the discussion around TDP figures, I’m well aware of the power limits, but that was (IHMO) not the point of OP. It’s obvious that it’s impossible at the moment to get 3950X performance in a laptop format, but you can get laptops able to keep temps reasonable with 35-50W, and that’s what a lot of laptop SoCs target as total power. Those SoCs hit (and sustain) their top clocks, whatever those are for that spec…
> Those SoCs hit (and sustain) their top clocks, whatever those are for that specific SKU. This is actually completely wrong. Almost no laptops sustain their top (boost) clock on heavy workloads. Most usually only sustain max performance for minutes (or seconds!) before throttling. Here's an example chart that shows how various premium Athena/Evo U laptops perform: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-Zenbook-S-UX393JA…
This is the problem with all the marketing BS. When I talked about “top clocks”, I wasn’t referring about “boost” clocks. I’m talking of the clocks that the SoC is designed for (that won’t appear on the box), i.e. a lot of laptops are not leaving “performance gaps” due to bad cooling, those SoCs are designed for that level of performance and attaching a fat copper heatsink won’t do much difference.
I had a lot of trouble with a client that complained that our board was not properly designed because the performance they were seeing was not “as advertised”. In the end we had to ship the whole thing to AMD, and have them test the system with a thermal sink. Everything was as expected.
If anyone is interested in this kind of stuff, your explanation is really good, so I won’t add anything because I’d probably do a terrible job :)
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I have a >3 year old GPU that's still faster than any mobile GPU. I have been having 64 GB RAM in my desktop for ... 5 years now. Even in the summer my PC is completely quiet, even under heavy load. (Both the GPU and the CPU are water cooled with stock all-in-one coolers.) Desktops are great.
Not to mention if you have a catastrophic hardware failure, all you have to do is replace the single part that failed and keep going.
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> Companies like Apple endlessly mouth their desire to get more kids to code, then their arms release devices so closed off that even trying to take a quick peek at how they work triggers eighteen system integrity protection alarms. You can't have it both ways, Apple. Apple C-Suites: "We want kids to code." Apple Ads: "What's a computer?" Whilst it might be me, somebody somewhere doesn't understand something.
It's not an all-or-nothing. One side perpetuates ignorance to keep consumer prices high; the other balances out to produce just enough technicians to keep wages low. They don't need everyone to be a technician, but they do need everyone to be a consumer. If you think of it as a firewall around knowledge, it's basically like this set of rules: Deny: all Allow:
How does limiting the supply of technicians lower their wages? Is it because Apple is limiting their own supply of available technicians? Why can't a given technician go elsewhere -- is that because the "don't poach treaty" never stopped or something else?
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1. the high seas 2. Failing that, just archive your existing discs and ditch the drive for good. It's the year 2020, and most (all?) software are distributed digitally, so you shouldn't need to get out your drive in the future.
I just built a new Windows gaming machine. Windows came on a DVD. I had to make a quick trip to Walmart to get a USB DVD drive. :-)
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/create-installat...
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I've worked on a laptop for the past decade but I use a dedicated keyboard, mouse almost exclusively and a large 34'' monitor (2x24 previously). Advantages of using a laptop : - portability - I work as a consultant and I need to work on premises occasionally - if I had to switch between desktop/laptop it would be too cumbersome - standalone when you need it - when I travel or am on vacation I usually need to do a few…
On the topic of undervolting, I run Bootcamp with a 2019 MBP 16 (i9) and it cannot play games like Rocket League without discharging despite being plugged into a 100W adapter. I have even tried disabling Turbo Boost. Incredibly disappointing.
In the Windows land the only hope seems to be AMD while Apple has me hoping for the A14 performance.