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TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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I'm sorry, but "we're merely acting as bad as the Chinese government here" does not seem like a very convincing argument.

The US left the moral high ground some time ago. (About 4 years ago)

Might be a bit longer ago than that.

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TikTok is not overhyped, it is here to stay, that's why they want to ban it. It's still growing like crazy and is way way more entertaining than any other social network by a long shot.

The problem is with this specific demographic is they will grow out of TikTok and eventually stop using it due to fatigue or strange reasons like their parents joining in.* This happened with Snap, Vine, YikYak, etc. They will just move on to the next social network craze that doesn't have their parents, grandparents or their next door neighbours friending you. Rinse and repeat. * The exception to this rule is unless…

YikYak killed itself with changes that no on wanted or needed. Vine was killed by Twitter.

Otherwise I agree in principle but your examples aren't good.

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The fact is that Apple/Google hasn't found them in serious infringement of anything. The article from CNN seems to echo the view in point 1: "Although leaders like Pompeo have described TikTok as a clear and present danger, many in the cybersecurity community say the reality is more complex. While TikTok could become a clear threat to US security under certain scenarios, they say, the danger is currently largely hypo…

The lack of response on being called a troll is pretty deafening. I think it is easy to see this account is a byte-dance or ccp paid troll.

> The lack of response on being called a troll is pretty deafening. I think it is easy to see this account is a byte-dance or ccp paid troll.

You're not allowed to actually say that here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Thinking that US market forces will open the chinese market after decades of failing to have that effect seems rather naive.

It's not 'US market forces' that will open China, and it never was. It was the opportunity to expand into global economic markets, with a certain perspective in mind, ballpark along the lines of Western Liberal Democracy and Economy. The Asian countries that followed this path after WW2 were enormously succesfull: South Korea, Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan. They are basically beacons of prosperity surrounded by…

It's funny seeing Singapore, Korea and Japan labelled as a "Western Liberal Democracy" and taking credit for their success.

Guess which other countries have democracy? India, Philippines, Indonesia.

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A straight forward argument that comes to my mind is TikTok being used in the manner Cambridge Analytica used Facebook. Except in this case, it is being done by a State sponsored entity with vast resources (monetarily and people-wise). Further, instead of it being used to help a candidate become elected, it's purpose would be to influence foreign opinions of China/the PRC. That doesn't sound implausible to me.

Other countries shold summarily ban Twitter and Facebook, out of fear of possible local elections influence by US government

I don’t think the point I made disagrees with what you’re suggesting. The US can absolutely use social media for information operations as well.

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/07/14/china-us-cou... Easily fact checked. China doubles the US on both Co2 and Methane emissions. Edit: Got downvoted, but it's still true the above post is outright incorrect information.

Which means that they emit much less per person. Or should countries be compared with no refrerence to their population, in which case Saudi Arabia is doing great? Additionally, USA has had decades of relative prosperity to clean up its emissions, but did nothing. Meanwhile China has more electric busses than the rest of the world combined, more hifgh-speed raio than the rest of the world combined, lead the world in…

Looking at it per population is kind of ridiculous when it's very obviously corporations and manufacturing responsible for most green house gasses. The average person barely makes a difference both in regards to pollution, resource consumption and plastics.

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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A straight forward argument that comes to my mind is TikTok being used in the manner Cambridge Analytica used Facebook. Except in this case, it is being done by a State sponsored entity with vast resources (monetarily and people-wise). Further, instead of it being used to help a candidate become elected, it's purpose would be to influence foreign opinions of China/the PRC. That doesn't sound implausible to me.

My wife is on TikTok for at least an hour a night if not more - I've never once seen or heard anything pro-china or anything that would otherwise influence her opinion about China. Not once. It's all content from US social media whores.

Content doesn’t need to be overtly “pro China” to influence individuals towards goals ultimately desirable by the PRC. Information operations can have a variety of goals are a designed to be unnoticeable, unless otherwise intended to be visible (e.g., making it apparent to GRU cyber actors that we had access to their systems during the mid-term elections).

Edit: Here’s a link to the mid-terms operation by US Cyber Com: https://sofrep.com/news/cyber-warfare-us-cyber-command-strik...

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A straight forward argument that comes to my mind is TikTok being used in the manner Cambridge Analytica used Facebook. Except in this case, it is being done by a State sponsored entity with vast resources (monetarily and people-wise). Further, instead of it being used to help a candidate become elected, it's purpose would be to influence foreign opinions of China/the PRC. That doesn't sound implausible to me.

If foreign speech is a threat to a free country's national security, then I think that the free speech experiment has ran its course, and its time to pack it up. /snark Just imagine what would happen if the foreigners say the wrong things at us. How is our freedom so brittle that it cannot handle speech? This whole avenue of argument sounds an awful lot like one that authoritarian regimes use to block Google, Faceboo…

I think you are missing the point. There are many many goals that support the PRC’s strategic goals/interests other than persuading people to be pro-China. If you ever get a chance, look up some of the publicly available US military doctrine on information operations and what the possible uses of it are.

Here’s one to start with: https://www.jcs.mil/Portals/36/Documents/Doctrine/pubs/jp3_1...

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> Chinese policy seems to have not significantly changed in the last 5 years towards the US, but on the other hand US seemed ever more keen and eger to pursue a hostile attitude towards China. For decades, China has blocked U.S. companies from fair competition, reneged on trade deals when it suits them, backed out of industrial partnerships after extracting the IP it deems useful, and generally been a bad trade partn…

Sounds exactly like how the US developed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Slater Otherwise we would be trading beaver pelts and providing cheap labor. Trump is banning TikTok because a bunch of teens pranked his rally using the platform.

That’s why India banned them too right? They just love Trump so much?

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Not that it justifies our behavior, but I can’t help but cringe a bit when considering how China locks American companies out of its market but expects better access for Chinese companies in the American market. America-Chinese relations started going downhill in 2009 when China thought it prudent to start blocking most Americans services, America just took a decade to follow up with similar bad behavior.

China's actions are actually legal under 1. WTO rules which allow developing nations to have some sort of protectionism to foster their own industries, and 2. Their own laws, which companies can choose to abide by. Google and Facebook were never wholesale banned by China. You can see this with the fact that Google tried to re-enter China with project Dragonfly (a China-law compliant search engine), until it internall…

At what point is China no longer considered a developing country? I think the argument is since they're now at least the second largest economy in the world, they no longer deserve all the special protections.
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