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Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Jesse Ventura wasn't affiliated with either party, along with a lot of people on that list. The founding fathers were afraid of democracy itself and put in many explicit constraints on it, never mind undesired self-organization like the two parties. So it's easy to find perspectives from which the US isn't the archytype democracy. But what's the point? That it somehow a bit farther down the road to authoritarianism a…

They are state governors, but did the state have a majority that wasn't either of the two main parties? That's the point. In India, in this particular instance, majority of the population were sick of the political parties in the country, there were protests and then this person created an entire new party and this party went to get elected in the capital state. I think that's the what democracy should allow you to d…

Good effort. When it comes to these sort of debates here it's always a blanket "West > East".

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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I also bet the Chinese version of TikTok, if it is even allowed in their country, has a completely different content moderation system. They are more than likely promoting degeneracy in our country while promoting their own ideals at home.

You are spreading baseless, racist speculation.

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>B) If the "western world" is the bar, the bar is low. And yet China manages to fail this low bar stunningly. To the point that they are running actual concentration camps for Muslims. Something no Western government has done, and the last one to do finished paying reparations to the victims 4 years ago, 70 years after it happened.

Western governments literally have a history of slavery. Right now, America is running actual concentration camps for African Americans. Don’t think western governments are any better.

>Don’t think western governments are any better.

You are welcome to move to China if you think they are better.

After all I moved to the West because I thought it was better.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Because of trade deficit that is already in China's favour. I assume banning these companies means further actions on China's part that will impact India even harder.

Would deficit reduce if we ban mobile providers, since deficit is more on side of India. Doesn't china comparatively has lesser moves than india as it enjoys trade benefit far more than India.

No here we don't know what steps they would take, they could block trade of things we need. Its not just about the trade deficit itself.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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That isn't a natural dichotomy, it's silly to break down problems into that sort of black and white ("you're either for us or against us!" sort of nonsense). There are always multiple choices. The real question is whether reacting with similar intolerance leaves you better off - or has any meaningful influence on the bad actors in question. Diplomacy is full of these tradeoffs.

But it is you cannot be tolerant of all things. You can't simultaneously be tolerant of cats and of people who wish to ban cats. Those two things cannot simultaneously be accepted.

Yes you can. I tolerate cats but I also tolerate cat haters. If people wanted to ban cats, I can disagree with them, but I wouldn’t be opposed to tolerating them, hearing their opinions, and giving them a forum to talk. Tolerance does not mean endorsement or acceptance.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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I was skeptical about this, but I think they are surely are. I installed tiktok just maybe 2 or 3 weeks ago.. it was kind of fun at first and was amused by some stuff on there. What it was showing me I thought was very relevant to prior stuff I had seen in some regard (just the type of humor) so I was kind of impressed. Then all the sudden it started showing me all this pro-Trump/pro-religion/antiBLM stuff. And look,…

I don't think there's any mystery here, I also started seeing pro-Trump posts but that's because I'd watched other posts. If you start swiping immediately on those videos, they stop showing up. The algorithm doesn't care if you watched a video because you were enjoying it or were upset but couldn't turn away (or if you left a comment to support the content or argue with the creator). They tune it to glue your eyeball…

I wouldn't watch them though, I was flipping away pretty quick.

Hard to explain exactly, just saying that it really seemed unusual. Again it was also the amount that were coming up. I watched a descent amount of BLM related videos a few nights.. like, a lot. Then a few insane trump ones which maybe I watch a few moments but keep swiping away, only to be suggested more Trump and less BLM?

Anyway- I understand it's conjecture and hard to say what I was seeing.. just seemed off, and it's pretty easy to jump to the conclusion that it was attempting to manipulate me.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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A reddit user, who claims to have reverse-engineered the TikTok app[1], concluded: > TikTok is a data collection service that is thinly-veiled as a social network. If there is an API to get information on you, your contacts, or your device... well, they're using it. > For what it's worth I've reversed the Instagram, Facebook, Reddit, and Twitter apps. They don't collect anywhere near the same amount of data that TikT…

> There's also a few snippets of code on the Android version that allows for the downloading of a remote zip file, unzipping it, and executing said binary. If these claims are true, a remote state actor can now take over 40% of young American's phones. Imagine if they decided to shut off everyone's ability to communicate. That would be an incredible capability to possess in the event that they wanted to launch an att…

Twitter did have an answer to this. It was called Vine and was very popular before they shut it down.

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TikTok is controlled by an authoritarian dictatorship engaged in a war against Western/Democratic values and human rights.

Not sure if you're talking about China or some Silicon Valley technocracies.

Don't cut yourself on that edge there mister.

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No. Keeping out LGBT related keywords was shown to increase their performance.

Yeah but is it the algorithm suppressing such content, or is that outside of a vocal minority, similar tags reduce interest in the content, on average?

So a thing that you should know about YouTube is that if a video is demonetized, it loses ranking in search engines. Since videos seem to be automatically demonetized if they have LGBT related tags, it is much more likely that the lose in ranking is due to the demonetization that is due to the LGBT content.

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Nation states have military, intelligence, diplomacy and police corps. They reserve the power to stop, detain, arrest, jail, try, sentence, imprison, and kill. That’s why how we go about those things is a Big Deal, and why we have so many rules about who can go about it, how, under what circumstances, what the laws are that they’re enforcing, what the processes and procedures are for enforcement and how guilt is dete…

I think you forget a detail. Nation state, or any state, are sovereign. If the national community agrees on something, it's all that matter. We don't have to abide by other countries standards on everything especially if we dont like it. Im thinking as a French I had to fight a lot with free speech absolutists abroad, while at home we're quite okay with selective censorship... it sounds scary to an American sometimes…

The idea that restrictions in human liberty are subject to when "a national community agrees on something" is laughable at best and evil at worst.
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