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Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by RandomBacon »

BrendanEich wrote: post #552
lern_too_spel wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Public ledger nicely allows anyone to see what's going on. It shows exactly what I said was going on. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plurality sounds fancy but you are using it wrong The meaning of plurality of tokens as an analogue to a plurality of votes is clear, but if not, pretend that I've spelled it out for you. Do you have any objections to the substance of my argument, or did you just come to provide evid…

You must have confused us for Binance, then. Any fool can google `site:news.ycombinator.com brendaneich lern_to_spel` and see your posts over the years, showing ill will used to justify bogus claims. Somehow you always fade away under rational discourse. It's boring but I'm happy to have another run-around again.

> Any fool

So the rest of us HN users are fools?

Anyway... why I am writing this comment: I was just going through some of my old comments and noticed you replied to one of them 5 days after I posted. That was two months ago, so it won't let me reply now, so here I am.

Comments in question: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20830172

I claimed that Brave removes a website's ads and replaces it with Brave's ads. You called me "misinformed". Is the Flying Spaghetti Monster placing those ads there, is it malware placing those ads there (well, technically yes, but I digress)? I'm not impressed with your attitude/ethics. If I needed another reason not to use Brave, there it is.

Edit only six minutes after posting: Interesing.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by lern_too_spel »

BrendanEich wrote: post #552
lern_too_spel wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Public ledger nicely allows anyone to see what's going on. It shows exactly what I said was going on. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plurality sounds fancy but you are using it wrong The meaning of plurality of tokens as an analogue to a plurality of votes is clear, but if not, pretend that I've spelled it out for you. Do you have any objections to the substance of my argument, or did you just come to provide evid…

You must have confused us for Binance, then. Any fool can google `site:news.ycombinator.com brendaneich lern_to_spel` and see your posts over the years, showing ill will used to justify bogus claims. Somehow you always fade away under rational discourse. It's boring but I'm happy to have another run-around again.

> You must have confused us for Binance, then.

If I deposit my dollars in the bank, are they no longer mine? The last time we had this discussion, I erroneously claimed you controlled a majority of the tokens, and you corrected me that it was only a plurality. Has anything actually changed since then, or are you still just quibbling over insubstantial details?

> Any fool can google `site:news.ycombinator.com brendaneich lern_to_spel` and see your posts over the years

And any person with half a brain can remove the "brendaneich" from the query and see that I often call out companies and people with dubious ethics. You happen to have shown poor ethical judgment on more than one occasion, as any fool who Googles "Brendan Eich" can see, but those past lapses are different from this one, so let's try to stay on topic.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by pfranz »

jamiequint wrote: post #262
carlosdp wrote: post #190

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The difference with Brave is they also provide a mechanism to contribute those earned funds to sites you visit directly.

That doesn't make it more ethical. Presumably if the sites wanted to operate under that model they would be already. In any case, Brave's effective CPM that they pay out to publishers it complete shit even compared to bottom-of-the-barrel ad exchanges. It's objectively a bad deal for publishers.

> Presumably if the sites wanted to operate under that model they would be already.

Not if the economics don't work out. I earnestly thing the Internet would be vastly different if microtransactions were feasible 20 years ago. I was hoping Paypal would enable this because credit card companies seemed to have no interest since their per-transaction fees are so profitable.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

lalaland1125 wrote: post #499
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #201

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But the ecosystem around dollars is so parasite-riddled that if you tried to move cents for each ad you didn't see, you'd end up paying more in transaction fees than would make it to the content creators that you're trying to support. The dollar has a scalability problem that BAT doesn't. Is trading dollars for BAT on an exchange and then loading those BAT into your browser's wallet such a bad alternative?

> But the ecosystem around dollars is so parasite-riddled that if you tried to move cents for each ad you didn't see, you'd end up paying more in transaction fees than would make it to the content creators that you're trying to support This is flat out incorrect. Brave as a company can easily consolidate payments such that fees are minimal.

Easily?

They don't currently integrate with a payment provider, and if they did they'd have to deal with that provider shutting off payments due to pressure from governments looking to censor content. They'd also have to generate income tax documents in a wide variety of jurisdictions.

Doing the kind of business worldwide where you pay people in fiat (rather than just get paid) is a tremendous undertaking. Even Google hasn't managed to pull it off worldwide just yet:

https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answ...

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by fwip »

anchpop wrote: post #471
fwip wrote: post #253

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And if you don't sign up, does Brave just keep the money for themselves?

No, it stays in the user's wallet (set aside) until you sign up

Can the user un-set it aside and spend it on something else?

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by throwaway-9320 »

83insfnadsjfn wrote: post #7

Can you login to the StackDriver metrics console with Brave yet? I had to disable everything, literally all protections, to get this to non-endless redirect, its difficult to whitelist as there is dozens of domains from (gcloud to accounts.google.com, to some sd/stackdrivers one) at this point it I gave up

I had this issue, but on Firefox and with Privacy Badger and uBlock Origin enabled. Some cookie seems to get blocked, leading to the infinite redirect loop. At least in this case I could just disable two addons temporarily and was good to go.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by csharp »

atombender wrote: post #618
csharp wrote: post #612

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What do you like about Safari that iOS Brave is missing? We are quite a bit faster than Safari, and our private mode is more aggressive against things like cookies and writing data to disk.

Honestly, I've not found any speed difference. Things I don't like: * Autocompletion is much worse than Safari. See screenshot comparison [1]. The results are dinky and hard to read, and rarely include history or bookmarks. For example, in the screenshot, if I type "p", it matches bookmarks and history, but the suggestions disappear if I type anything more, despite the fact that "photothera" is a substring. * Brave's…

Thanks for the verbose feedback. We seriously appreciate it. Wanted to respond to your items:

1. You are Comparing DuckDuckGo and Google suggestions (search engine), not Safari and Brave (browser). Change your Brave search engine to DDG, and results will be the same.

2. You can turn off the tab bar thing in settings. Safari offers this, just defaults to off.

3. We do have a lot of icons, you can hide the BAT icon if you don't use rewards (see settings).

4/5. Yes, those are bad bugs, we are currently rebuilding our syncing system.

I will raise this ticket and see if we can get some movement on it.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by atombender »

csharp wrote: post #647
atombender wrote: post #618

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Honestly, I've not found any speed difference. Things I don't like: * Autocompletion is much worse than Safari. See screenshot comparison [1]. The results are dinky and hard to read, and rarely include history or bookmarks. For example, in the screenshot, if I type "p", it matches bookmarks and history, but the suggestions disappear if I type anything more, despite the fact that "photothera" is a substring. * Brave's…

Thanks for the verbose feedback. We seriously appreciate it. Wanted to respond to your items: 1. You are Comparing DuckDuckGo and Google suggestions (search engine), not Safari and Brave (browser). Change your Brave search engine to DDG, and results will be the same. 2. You can turn off the tab bar thing in settings. Safari offers this, just defaults to off. 3. We do have a lot of icons, you can hide the BAT icon if…

Thanks, didn't realize there were settings for those things.

Not sure what you mean by DuckDuckGo. I don't use DDG in Safari, and changing to use DDG in Brave doesn't fix the issue.

I'm not sure if you looked carefully at my screenshots. When I type something in Safari, I get suggestions from searches, web sites, bookmarks, history, etc., all presented in neat rows. If I've visited a page with the title "Hacker News", then I can start typing "h", "ha", "hac", etc., and Safari will most likely suggest it.

With Brave, you provide those really dinky search suggestions, which are comparable to Safari's larger completions. I'm not happy about the presentation (small for thumbs, jumbled instead of neat rows), but at least they're there.

But the other suggestions generally don't come up. There seems to be some bug. I just tried it out. If I type "h", "ha", etc., I don't get anything at all. Not even "hacker news". On the other hand, if I type "kurt", I get the Kurt Vonnegut Museum page I just opened from HN. So who knows what's wrong there. It seems really flaky.

Edit: Ha, I went back and tried typing "h" again and now Hacker News does show up (which it didn't, previously; must be some async indexing going on here?). But not on "ha", "hac", etc. Just "h".

Here are some screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/qFJoo6g

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by martindale »

General reminder that Brave is a scam; they forcefully converted user funds that were held in BTC to their own competitive token, BAT, which seeks to monetize your attention.

Not to mention the massive privacy leak that is a public network of transactions, revealing browsing habits by way of advertising payments.

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