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California bans private prisons

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Re: California bans private prisons

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Wait, what? Ideally, citing your sources should be done without being asked. And, when asked, people want to know which sources you have used, not the ones they can find for themselves. So even if you think it's common knowledge, we want to see the base of your thinking.

> Ideally, citing your sources should be done without being asked. Do you have a source for why that would be ideal ?

I do. Are you asking?

Re: California bans private prisons

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Because when people talk about how terrible healthcare is here, it's usually people who don't have or can't afford good insurance. And by good, I mean covers most everything and doesn't have a huge out of pocket. If you have good health insurance, the healthcare in the US is absolutely top tier. Many people that complain are getting a plan with a huge deductible either because they are being cheap or can't afford bet…

Even people with good health insurance find all the paperwork a pain in the ass. I'd far rather have decent, not luxury healthcare and no damn paperwork, when I'm sick I am not interested in dealing with administrative nonsense. The entire health insurance industry is parasitical.

I have never had much paperwork besides a few signatures. And we have had some extensive procedures.

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I would like to have an explanation why "going after the unions" is a thing and what it means in this context? I can understand for example limiting striking by law or similar ordnances to uphold order and democracy. Is this all the parent is talking about? But isn't a union basically a private organisation formed by citizens by their own free will? What does it mean for a political organization, eg a party, to go af…

Isn't a private prison a private organisation formed by citizens by their own free will? :) The unions and their membership have a financial conflict of interest when it comes to public public that impacts incarceration rate. Prison unions have, for example, lobbied extensively to keep various drugs criminalized in states where the public was going in another direction. It's obviously a difficult subject with a lot o…

The difference is that every prisoner in a private prison is an income source, so every law that creates fewer prisoners (such as drug legalization) is a loss of income. Are all public prisons run the same way? That is, are the prisons funded on a per-prisoner-per-day basis? Or do they get an overall annual budget, and then have to spend it as best they can to house the prisoners they're sent?

In the former case, harsh laws are good for them, same as the private scenario. But in the latter case -- fewer prisoners on the same budget -- more permissive laws would be an unconditional win. I don't know which way it actually works, just spelling out an unstated assumption that's being made upthread.

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Re: California bans private prisons

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Isn't a private prison a private organisation formed by citizens by their own free will? :) The unions and their membership have a financial conflict of interest when it comes to public public that impacts incarceration rate. Prison unions have, for example, lobbied extensively to keep various drugs criminalized in states where the public was going in another direction. It's obviously a difficult subject with a lot o…

The difference is that every prisoner in a private prison is an income source, so every law that creates fewer prisoners (such as drug legalization) is a loss of income. Are all public prisons run the same way? That is, are the prisons funded on a per-prisoner-per-day basis? Or do they get an overall annual budget, and then have to spend it as best they can to house the prisoners they're sent? In the former case, har…

More prisoners means more jobs for prison guards which means negotiating leverage for higher pay, better working conditions, and better job security. If there were significantly fewer prisoners, there would be layoffs of prison guards, which would very much be against the interests of the union.
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