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#642Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The freedom to spread cheap hate, fake news and bigotry against minorities? I'm sorry but moderating such offenses isn't a limitation to free speech. For the same reason why, if you start shouting nig or monkey to black people in a shopping mall, the police is likely to intervene and take you away - and I don't think that any sane person would argue that they're violating your freedom of speech. Popper taught us th…
I know that the American legislation is quite laissez-faire when it comes to defamation than in other countries (Canada, the UK and most of the European countries). But it still exists and I believe that the 8chan case still violated what's the defamation/slander bar in the US. According to these guys http://kellywarnerlaw.com/us-defamation-laws/ there's defamation when the defendant: Published or otherwise broadcast…
> I believe that the 8chan case still violated what's the defamation/slander bar in the US
That's not how libel law works in the US, or indeed, in the UK. It applies to specific statements of fact about specific people, and does not cover opinions. For libel law to apply, you'd need specific false statements of fact about specific named people that led to damages to those named people, eg, "John Smith has done X, Y, and Z deplorable acts, and someone should kill him", which someone then read and proceeded to kill John Smith. In this case, of course, the conduct would violate a ton of much more serious laws (that is squarely in one of the exceptions to the first amendment, for obvious reasons!), and to the extent that the above conduct did not happen (and as far as I know, it did not) libel law is simply one more of the many laws that don't apply.
Not all things which are against the law are evil. Not all evil things are against the law. Just because you really think something is evil does not mean that if you look hard enough you can find a relevant law.
Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan
#643Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They choose not to apply this approach to white supremacy. "[...] the measures taken against ISIS were so extreme that, if applied to white supremacy, there would certainly be backlash, because algorithms would obviously flag content that has been tweeted by prominent Republicans—or, at the very least, their supporters." https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3xgq5/why-wont-twitter-t...
White supremacist terrorism cannot be directly ideologically challenged by our present political system in America because it is the founding ideology of the country https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_Destroyer
Yep, they clearly outlined that the country was meant for only free white men of good character. The United States is for white people, so it is not surprising that some people get upset when other races try to get their own slice of our accomplishments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790
Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan
#644Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm sorry, but how can anyone say "what kind" of free speech...? Don't you see that labeling or discriminating between "free speech of type A, allowed" and "free speech of type B, disallowed" defeats the whole notion of "free"? Somehow people tend to think that their own discrimination isn't, while others is.
There is a clear (and working) distinction between free speech of type A and of type B in other countries. In Germany, just as an example, you are free to express your OPINION (type A), but not to express false facts (type B). If you express false facts, knowingly, and those false facts have damaging effects you are fully liable for compensation. Simple example: if a person wrongly claims, that some local artisan's b…
In the US, false statements are also not covered by the first amandment.
The difference is that in Germany, "AlphaGeekZulu is an asshole", while clearly a statement of opinion, will allow you to go after me. Some restrictons to Meinungsfreiheit are right there in the constitution - protecting personal honor or protection the children.
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#645Free speech is a cultural value. It sometimes manifests itself in the form of codified laws like the first amendment to the US Constitution. However, free speech is not limited to the USA. The idea behind free speech is that people are allowed to put forward new ideas ( especially ideas about how to organize society, what is good and moral etc ) so that people can consider and accept or reject them. The idea is that…
"[...]The idea is that good ideas should win adherents and bubble to the top while bad ideas sink to the bottom as they lose followers.[...]"
OK, but what if the good ideas sink to the bottom and the bad ideas bubble to the top, and people die? Because someone found the psychological triggers and the technical means to turn around the expected functionality of the good idea?
We all get the nice, philosophical, humanistic idea of free speech. But in the moment, it doesn't work so well. When something doesn't work so well, we have to fix it. So, what is the fix, in your opinion?
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#646That a crazy person posts a screed somewhere then commits mass murder is not by itself sufficient reason to destroy the forum where they posted their screed. It's not remotely clear to me that 8chan glorified previous mass murders -- of course, I've not looked, but then, Cloudflare doesn't post any evidence of this either. But even 8chan they did, that's essentially what the media is doing every time they give wall-t…
According to Cloudflare's logic, ISPs should have stopped peering with Facebook after NZ shooter livestreamed there.
Facebook implemented automation to ban any reposts of the NZ footage. Facebook routinely bans extremists groups.
8ch actively caters to white supremacists, by letting /pol/ be the second largest board there and not be actively moderated to combat hate speech. 8ch administrators did nothing to prevent hate speech from becoming a large chunk of their discourse. As such, people were looking towards 8ch's providers to do something about this, as it has been the case on the Internet since forever (ISP not reacting to abuse requests concerning their customers? Okay, we have to contact their upstreams then).
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#647Rice Purity Test is one of its time enduring survey that incorporates inquiries on different parts of life, for example, medications, indecencies, and violations.
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#648Twitter and Google (& YouTube) have systematically removed ISIS content and redirected these people to messages/sites that are designed to disrupt and deprogram their ideology. They’ve done this effectively for years. They choose not to apply this approach to white supremacy. https://twitter.com/brianbeutler/status/1158032847560675328
> They choose not to apply this approach to white supremacy. "[...] the measures taken against ISIS were so extreme that, if applied to white supremacy, there would certainly be backlash, because algorithms would obviously flag content that has been tweeted by prominent Republicans—or, at the very least, their supporters." https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3xgq5/why-wont-twitter-t...
Honestly, they should have done exactly that. Flag their content and ban them. Then go to the capitol. And when some politician asks, "why was I banned?" Tell them honestly, your statements were determined to be extremist by the same algorithm that bans Al Qaeda and ISIS from posting. Then sit back and watch the real fireworks go off.
Just because they have a political title does not mean we have to respect anything that comes out of their mouth. Call a spade a spade and be done with them.
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#649What kind of free speech are we exactly advocating here? The freedom to spread cheap hate, fake news and bigotry against minorities? I'm sorry but moderating such offenses isn't a limitation to free speech. For the same reason why, if you start shouting nig or monkey to black people in a shopping mall, the police is likely to intervene and take you away - and I don't think that any sane person would argue that they'r…
You are simplifying. Google shopping for example doesn't list WWII products in germany. Without any exception. Without decision between right wing propaganda and historical teaching material it is an attempt to deny the holocaust. And that's as simple as it is.
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#650I'm pretty sure more Twitter and Facebook users have become mass killers than 8ch users. The first comment to the guy on 8ch who posted the manifesto was "hello FBI". Not a 8ch user but they don't appear to support shootings. I'm more familiar with 4chan shenanigans and they definitely don't support it, with any threat of real-life violence being met with something along the lines of "[alphabet agency] fuck off". Not…
>I'm more familiar with 4chan shenanigans and they definitely don't support it The origin story of 8chan from what I understand is that it is all of the people who had too extreme of views for 4chan... which created an echo chamber to further radicalize and ferment.
8ch gained popularity because gamergate discussions were censored on 4chan.