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Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by pinche2 »

RussianCow wrote: post #478
vbezhenar wrote: post #415

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"Most internet videos" probably is overstatement. I'm watching youtube, pornhub and twitch and I don't think that it requires any DRM. The only service with DRM I'm aware of is Netflix and it's terrible anyway.

> The only service with DRM I'm aware of is Netflix and it's terrible anyway. Ha! Tell that to their 150 million subscribers. :) More seriously, using a browser without DRM would be a deal-breaker to many users like myself solely because of Netflix, unfortunately. That said, if you're serious about using a DRM-free browser, there are other ways to watch Netflix (iOS/Android, smart TVs, etc).

> Ha! Tell that to their 150 million subscribers. :)

I'm watching 2 million flies enjoying a dog turd right now. I'm still not convinced...

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by naasking »

Google had said they wanted revise the way advertising and tracking is done on the web to address the many issues with the current train wreck. I would be more open to sticking with Chrome if they had done that first before breaking ad blockers.

Ad-driven content should be a viable business model, but the way it's currently done is simply unacceptable, and Google shouldn't crack down on people's conscientious objections via ad-blockers without providing a viable alternative.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by staticassertion »

SilasX wrote: post #491
staticassertion wrote: post #446

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Hi I work on a security team that hunts for malware. Malicious extensions are a huge threat - totally happens for Chrome in particular, and I've even seen malware package old versions of browsers to get around the modern defenses.

Someone distributing a different product to get around you current products vulnerabilities is outside this threat model.

No it isn't, there isn't any specified threat model anyway.

What we're talking about is whether malicious extensions are something attackers want to use. Having to package an entire browser is a win - it's super noisy and means there's a huge binary to lug around.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by RussianCow »

JadeNB wrote: post #569
RussianCow wrote: post #478

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> The only service with DRM I'm aware of is Netflix and it's terrible anyway. Ha! Tell that to their 150 million subscribers. :) More seriously, using a browser without DRM would be a deal-breaker to many users like myself solely because of Netflix, unfortunately. That said, if you're serious about using a DRM-free browser, there are other ways to watch Netflix (iOS/Android, smart TVs, etc).

> > The only service with DRM I'm aware of is Netflix and it's terrible anyway. > Ha! Tell that to their 150 million subscribers. :) I'm not sure that a large number of subscribers is a convincing argument of the non-terribleness of a service. A quick Google search suggests that Comcast, excuse me, Xfinity, has somewhere in the neighbourhood of 30 million subscribers. I don't think that you will find any argument tel…

Sure, but many of those Xfinity customers don't have any reasonable alternatives, whereas there are now a handful of players in the video streaming space. If someone doesn't like Netflix, they can easily cancel their subscription and switch to another service. So even though you're partially right, the subscriber count in this case is a pretty good proxy of how good the service is.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by hodder »

saidajigumi wrote: post #640
hodder wrote: post #562

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This is risky behaviour though when dealing with other megacorps. Legal ramifications and antitrust suits come out of actions like that.

It's like Google found developer goodwill burdensome, and decided to pack it all up into container trucks and ship it all to Microsoft.

I agree. It is truly unbelievable. Same with user goodwill.

Microsoft is vaccuuming it all up. Meanwhile Microsoft is making tons of great moves to get devs and users back on their side.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by kakkksaknmdm »

slacka wrote: post #624
kumarharsh wrote: post #527

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You know what's horrifying about the idea of "just fork Chrome"? Google can still hurt you by blocking your browser's access to their prime properties (YouTube, Gmail, Maps, etc). Just look at YouTube denying Chromium-based Edge the new redesigned experience for absolutely zero reason.

First of all, we have no evidence that your Edge example was intentional. In fact, we have evidence to the contrary as they fixed it within hours of it being reported [1] Now as far as your hypothetical, sure they can, but I use all of those services, YouTube, Gmail, Maps, ... on Chromium every day and they do not block nor have they ever blocked any of them. [1] https://twitter.com/addyosmani/status/1133782407419613…

Wrong! Google deliberately blocked Edge, see the tweet here for proof: https://twitter.com/sinclairinator/status/113344983464663859...

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by aloer »

b3n wrote: post #627
aloer wrote: post #615

I tried Firefox coming from chrome. Two things were dealbreakers for me 1) I’m a heavy window/tab user. 300+ tabs across 10+ windows is normal. I have not been able to recreate the same tab bar overflow behavior as in chrome, default ff will keep tabs at fixed width and scroll horizontally, making it impossible to see how many tabs there are in the window. Changing css helps but there are still enough problems with s…

With 300 tabs why do you want your tab bar horizontal? Doesn't it make more sense to have your tabs in a vertical sidebar so you can easily see them and scroll through them, like you can do in Firefox?

I’ve tried it but found it too aesthetically displeasing when using a MacBook to not have a page centered if it’s supposed to be centered. It’s like the entire system is made to be used in a symmetrical way and I break it because of tabs. Doesn’t feel right

Hiding the bar defeats its purpose and with small icons I can fit more tabs horizontally without scrolling than vertically with tree tabs. Another reason would be if dev tools are open and they already take away half the horizontal space

So usually I have tabs in one window related to a single project or topic until they overflow (chrome will never scroll the bar. If it doesn’t fit the tab icons are simply invisible) at which point I just split in two windows that stay in the same Mac space for that project/topic

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by dom96 »

b3n wrote: post #627
aloer wrote: post #615

I tried Firefox coming from chrome. Two things were dealbreakers for me 1) I’m a heavy window/tab user. 300+ tabs across 10+ windows is normal. I have not been able to recreate the same tab bar overflow behavior as in chrome, default ff will keep tabs at fixed width and scroll horizontally, making it impossible to see how many tabs there are in the window. Changing css helps but there are still enough problems with s…

With 300 tabs why do you want your tab bar horizontal? Doesn't it make more sense to have your tabs in a vertical sidebar so you can easily see them and scroll through them, like you can do in Firefox?

Yeah, this is actually one of the main reasons I use Firefox instead of Chrome. I really dislike Chrome's tab minimizing behaviour, not every website has a clearly distinguishable favicon and even if it did, I often have multiple tabs from the same website open.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by jimnotgym »

kumarharsh wrote: post #527
marricks wrote: post #15

Google will keep locking down Chrome and using corporate talk to hand wave it away, only recourse is to leave. First it’s “sign in” with obtuse ways to turn it off. Then block Adblocking, once again with obtuse ways to disable... the end goal is pretty obvious, get the majority of Chrome users to turn on ads and tie their real names to their Chrome browser. Of course let “power users” (who’ll turn that crap off anywa…

You know what's horrifying about the idea of "just fork Chrome"? Google can still hurt you by blocking your browser's access to their prime properties (YouTube, Gmail, Maps, etc). Just look at YouTube denying Chromium-based Edge the new redesigned experience for absolutely zero reason.

And by making captchas harder or insoluble for Firefox users they block access to lots of other sites
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