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Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by maxxxxx »

JBiserkov wrote: post #401
interesthrow2 wrote: post #82

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The irony. They had HTA apps (running on IE engine which still work more or less, I replaced most default Win10 apps like the image viewer and the "groove" music player with a version of them built with HTA since they were slow as hell to start up) for 20 years already, they did barely anything with it, they didn't really invest seriously in a good browser engine (Edge isn't) and now all they can do is use Google's?…

>I'm actually starting to believe the people who are claiming that MS is rebuilding Office in JS from scratch... Office is C++, with 85-95% code shared between Windows, OS X, Android, iOS and Web; with a very tiny presentation layer on top. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFmByeQ_ulo

That's an interesting video. Office has developed an incredible toolset for OS independent development and also very powerful UI libraries. I always wonder how Windows desktop development could look if they had released office components as libraries for developers. I think Windows development went downhill when office introduced the ribbon and started to deviate from the standard look and feel of the OS.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by j45 »

TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

Before using ie to download Chrome, IE was used to download Firefox.

Chrome out-innovated Firefox for a lot of years and won the demand for a web browser (and now sell to it).

The new Firefox, is similar to the new ground breaking features of a Chrome when it had come out. A few years of recommending Firefox will have an effect.

Today I use Chrome, Chromium and Firefox. Firefox is my daily driver and it is no slower than Chroumium

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by setquk »

zolthrowaway wrote: post #606
JoelTheSuperior wrote: post #415

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Not to mention that fixing it for one browser may well break it for another. Usually it leads to compromising but even then still favouring one browser (usually Chrome) over another.

This is my biggest gripe with Edge/IE. - Build some webapp and get it working correctly in Chrome - Test on Firefox. It works 90% of the time. 9% of the time it's relatively easy to support. 1% of the time it isn't worth the hassle. - Test on Edge. It works 80% of the time. 10% it's an easy enough fix. 10% you have to move heaven and Earth to fix and when you contact Microsoft, they know about the issue but won't do…

This. I raised an issue where Microsoft fucked up download prompting in IE9 (identified in beta released 2010) and broke ClickOnce launched via Javascript redirection. They haven't fixed it yet as of today (including in Edge!) and rep contacted me and said they deleted the case we had open.

We rewrote the app so it didn't use ClickOnce in the end.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by sametmax »

gdfasfklshg4 wrote: post #628
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> This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it, and starts using Chromium too. It seems very unlikely: - Mozilla has been in a far worse uderdog position before during the IE6 era, with way more incompatible sites and less funding. - Mozilla is not for profit. Fighting for the open Web is one of their goal.…

> Mozilla has the hardcore geeks on their side. Even during the V30 to v50 transition period where Firefox was, at the time, clearly an inferior product, we kept using it to support it for the sheer ideal of it. We hoped it would come back from it, and it happened: Firefox is now a fast, lean and fantastic browser again. I use Firefox. I always have. My experience is totally different to yours. Before FF57 it was a s…

I said "during the V30 to v50 transition period where Firefox was, at the time, clearly an inferior product", compared to the competition, not anterior version of itself.

The later is a more complicated matter, as it was 10 years ago, with different expectations, hardware, user base and web.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by welly »

ako wrote: post #625
welly wrote: post #503

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North Korea, Soviet Union, China, Syria, East Germany. Take your pick.

That doesn't mean that every single party government is worse than 2 parties...

Then perhaps you can suggest a single single-party government that is better than a two (or more) party government?

I look forward to this...

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by dschuetz »

How ironic. But, kudos to the responsible decision makers. It's a shame though that they haven't decided to make a modern and decent engine that works at least as reliable as FF or Chrome(ium), Edge always felt like a recycled version of IE. I think the move was done because the Chromium engine also has a strong extensions base. That's something I found Edge was lacking, ultimately.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by bionoid »

TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

> Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable

Sorry for going off-topic on rant here, but yesterday I had a 3 months old win10 workstation refuse to start the built-in calculator app. It worked fine the evening before, and no updates were installed in between...

This is apparantly a common problem for many users. I found lots of possible solutions, but of course, none of them worked for me. I took ownership of install dirs, redeployed the appx, every hack I could find...

Eventually I gave up and copied calc.exe from a win7 computer -- of course it doesn't run on win10, that would be too easy. So I installed a third-party calculator and apologized to the user on behalf of Microsoft...

> Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10

Nothing will change my perception of win10.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by sodosopa »

TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

We don’t test with Edge because it’s less than 2% of our traffic. Same reason we don’t test Opera or the browser on the old Blackberry phones.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by me551ah »

I recently made the switch to Firefox from chrome. Webrender is a revolution in web technology since it primarily uses the GPU for rendering resulting in much faster and smoother websites. I'd urge everyone to give webrender a shot, it feels noticeably smoother than chrome.
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