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Tempe Police Release Video of Uber Accident
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#642The first question that comes to my mind watching this, is, why didn't the _pedestrian_ see the _car_? It looks as though she didn't even look up until the car was only a few feet away from here. I'm not just trying to "blame the victim". The car "should" have responded sooner. But see-and-avoid works both ways. If you're choosing to cross a road in the dark, you, too, have a responsibility to understand the drivers'…
I see a lot of people who cross the street without looking. I definitely don’t get it. I constantly check everywhere even when I clearly have the right of way. But that’s how people are.
And I wouldn't be surprised if many of these people are really concerned about the threat of terrorism or of flying while ignoring an imminent lethal risk that is many orders of magnitude higher.
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#643Earlier quoted context omitted.
It isn't at all clear from the video. Video cameras of this quality vastly underperform human vision in low-light conditions.
Don't forget compression artifacts. A dark object against a dark background in a highly compressed video is going to get compressed into just looking like the background.
I downloaded the video directly and it looks like it's 133 kbps for the video data at about 360p, which is just abysmally low. So it's not surprising that it's difficult to pick out detail in such a contrasty scene given the degree of compression and the resolution.
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#644Whatever the outcome of this case, autonomous cars are not going away. That cat is already out of the bag. As for this accident, I think in time it will be shown in time that while machines can make mistakes, they make fewer mistakes than humans. Six years ago I heard that CSX (a major rail line in the U.S.) was actively pursuing autonomous trains. I thought the idea was horrible, until the programmer working on the…
> I think in time it will be shown in time that while machines can make mistakes, they make fewer mistakes than humans.
This is religious thinking.
>There is a certain amount of fear these events generate, but did you notice that the same level of media coverage was not given for the dozens of similar accidents that happened in the past 24 hours with non-autonomous vehicles?
This is a known unethical company testing dangerous technology on public streets and killing someone. By the numbers Uber's self driving cars are far worse than human drivers when it comes to safety, and the video shows their autonomous system has serious issues. Why defend them?
If you're a fan of self-driving cars you should be slamming Uber, if anything is going to hurt the technology it's shitty companies playing fast and loose with their tech resulting in people's deaths.
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#645Well, that's upsetting.
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#646Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I hope that the driver isn't the sole focus of punishment As sad as this accident was, I don't see how the driver or Uber is legally at fault. Pedestrians crossing outside of a crosswalk are supposed to yield to traffic. The victim in this video is stunningly oblivious to the fact that she's on a roadway. Obviously we want self-driving tech to be good enough to avoid such an accident, particularly since a human pro…
> Pedestrians crossing outside of a crosswalk are supposed to yield to traffic. Pedestrians always have the right-of-way. They might get a ticket for jaywalking in some cities, but it's never permissible to hit someone with your car, regardless of whether they're in a crosswalk. Vehicular manslaughter is no minor infraction, and Uber can expect a civil suit from the victim's family even if there are no criminal charg…
"Pedestrians always have the right-of-way."
Just FYI: In the US, this not legally true, and definitely not legally true in a lot of comparative negligence states.
While its true you can't just hit people with your car, any civil suit that is filed would be usually lost in most of these states (where lost == you may not recover money). It does vary, some states (like AZ) allow you to recover 1% even if you are 99% at fault.
In fact, what you say about right of way is not even true in very pedestrian friendly states like California. In California (and most states), what the person you replied to wrote is correct.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio...
21950. (a) The driver of a vehicle shall yield the right-of-way to a pedestrian crossing the roadway within any marked crosswalk or within any unmarked crosswalk at an intersection, except as otherwise provided in this chapter.
(b) This section does not relieve a pedestrian from the duty of using due care for his or her safety. No pedestrian may suddenly leave a curb or other place of safety and walk or run into the path of a vehicle that is so close as to constitute an immediate hazard. No pedestrian may unnecessarily stop or delay traffic while in a marked or unmarked crosswalk.
(c) The driver of a vehicle approaching a pedestrian within any marked or unmarked crosswalk shall exercise all due care and shall reduce the speed of the vehicle or take any other action relating to the operation of the vehicle as necessary to safeguard the safety of the pedestrian.
(d) Subdivision (b) does not relieve a driver of a vehicle from the duty of exercising due care for the safety of any pedestrian within any marked crosswalk or within any unmarked crosswalk at an intersection.
Re: Tempe Police Release Video of Uber Accident
#647Regardless of how suddenly she appears in the camera, it is pretty logical that she was probably visible to the human driver if he had been watching the road. That's not nearly fast enough on a stretch of road like that to be overdriving the visibility provided by the modern headlights of a brand new Volvo. I bet she was visible to the driver in plenty of time to have stopped. I'm an optimist, but still I think we ar…
I agree; and particularly like that you mention this is a brand new Volvo -- I regularly drive much faster on roads that are likely to have deer -- and this driver is clearly not paying attention. I think the driver should be considered for manslaughter charges (to which, as they were an employee, Uber is civilly liable for)
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#648Obviously a "hello, world" failure of self-driving. I wouldn't blame a human for not seeing that person, but better should be expected of the tech. However: * there doesn't appear to be a single reflective device on the bike. For instance, the usual spoke-mounted reflectors that are stock equipment on even low-end bikes do not seem to be there. * the woman seems completely oblivious to the car's approach. She doesn't…
Jesus Christ, show some decorum.
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#649I lived in that area of Tempe for nearly a decade, as recently as two years ago.
That is an extremely well-lit stretch of road - there are so many lights on that road that it's practically daylight conditions at night.
The video is far, far darker than what you'd actually see.
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#650Earlier quoted context omitted.
I didn't know that new Subaru's can come with driver assist. How does it work? What's your experience with it? I've got a 2013, and am thinking about trading in.
Absolutely love my Outback + Eyesight. That said, the lane assist and automatic cruise control are not very sophisticated. The automatic cruise control is great for freeway and some street driving, but don't expect it to brake very smoothly / like a human. I consider it outsourcing part of my concentration. Lane assist is nice, but it won't auto-center -- if you were take your hands off the wheel on a straightaway it…
> "ping-pong" back and forth.
like travelling down a virtual tube