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Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

#631

Consider how many people disagree with you here. Well-respected users. If we disagree with you here on what you may have thought a well-regarded idea, who is to say how many well-regarded comments we are now going to miss? How many excellent comments are headed for the dustbin because of a misunderstanding? This might work , but it will turn HN into a community that is very inward.

We can try it out, and if it doesn't work switch it back.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

#633
This is very un-hacker like. There has be better way to rank the comments considering you have so much information, specifically, graph of people with karma values upvoting/downvoting each other. Can't we just do simple variant of PageRank to rank comments? You can even simplify thing by having child comments inherit rank of parent (or may be adjusted rank). Individual users can set the noise level that they find acceptable in their profile. I strongly believe this is a ranking issue and shouldn't be left to humans with all of their potential to bias things.

Proposed system might work ok on head posts but there are lot of tail posts which have smaller audiences but interesting topics nonetheless. On those posts, minority opinions or "ridiculous ideas" would have lower probability of getting endorsed.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

#634
How many 1000 karma users are there on HN exactly, and how actively do they visit and interact with the site? This will have an enormous effect on what the endorsement latency actually is. I assume the karma threshold of 1000 was chosen so that there would be a reasonable number of users to do this, but I still want to check.

Edit: I notice that my comment is marked as pending in this thread... so the system is already active?

Edit2: Yes: https://news.ycombinator.com/pending

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

#635
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My may concern with this system: Sledgehammer meets tack. The comments on HN aren't perfect, but they're far from bad when compared to other sites of this nature. There has been a downwards trend most probably due to the increasing popularity of HN. A response is warranted. However, this system has the potential to silence a lot of high quality comments on any threads that aren't on the front-page for an extended per…

To me a problem with karma systems that are based on a specific relatively well-defined ruleset is that you still end up with a score that doesn't really convey much. For instance, the karma I have is made up of meaningful discussions, which involve telling others about relevant facts, as well as one liner jokes and a few quotes from random dead folks that are smarter than I am. I always wonder how useful it is to re…

>you still end up with a score that doesn't really convey much

Exactly. Mostly I try to make constructive comments, but the most upvotes I have received were on comments which were hateful to one of the tech companies - they might still not be the best comments in pg's dictionary.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

#637

This is very un-hacker like. There has be better way to rank the comments considering you have so much information, specifically, graph of people with karma values upvoting/downvoting each other. Can't we just do simple variant of PageRank to rank comments? You can even simplify thing by having child comments inherit rank of parent (or may be adjusted rank). Individual users can set the noise level that they find acc…

Another way to tackle bad comments issue:

Add "Follow" feature and then you can see comment tree up the nodes that are created or upvoted by users who you are following OR the users who are N-edges away in the graph. You can set N in your profile.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

#638

This is ridiculous. It's bad enough that people are downvoted for contrarian opinions, but now our comments need to be vetted by the elite HN users before they can be shown to the rest. I don't get it. This site looks like something made in 1996 (with absolutely no regard for readability), but the big new upgrade we're getting is a draconian (and wholly unnecessary) comment moderation feature/policy? A lot of HN user…

Yeah, this is absolutely going to hurt people posting opinions that run counter to groupthink. The fact that the contrary opinions only start showing up about halfway down the page should give you a pretty good idea of how this is going to go in practice.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

#639

This is a poorly thought out, reactionary response to allegations of dreadful comment quality. 1. It doesn't solve any problems of group think, because if pg and the Y Combinator folks think the system is already tilted toward a certain group and set of beliefs - this now empowers them all as citizen moderators. 2. It further empowers this group by giving them the ability to remove other members of the group's abilit…

This perhaps marks the beginning of the end for HackerNews.

Who wants to contribute to a "community" where there is active censorship of posts critical of YCombinator companies (see Dr Chrono), or you get hell-banned for no good reason, and now this poorly thought-out "rule"?

CPerciva pointed out an obvious flaw. Another is this: if you had to start a brand new HackerNews tomorrow, would you implement the rule? Of course not, because nobody would have any karma points to begin with, so they wouldn't be able to approve or see pending comments, meaning no comments would ever get posted! Duh!

Now you could argue that the HackerNews moderators and owners have karma points and they could approve comments to seed the system... but then why not just have a private forum for all your start-up friends, invite only, so you can be sure they all speak right?!

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

#640

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow do I ever disagree with that. Comments on HN have gotten genuinely awful.

Okay. But what is a bad comment then? Maybe your standard is very different from my standard.

If only there was some way to aggregate the opinions of all participants, like through some sort of voting system.
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