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Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by chr15m »

segfaltnh wrote: post #473
chr15m wrote: post #254

The right people to protect children are those responsible for them - their parents and guardians. If there is a problem with children not being sufficiently protected, that is the level at which to solve it. Give families tools and information to do so.

Every time I see this take I remember the time my step father picked me up by my throat and body slammed me on the floor. I was 12. I've had tinnitus ever since. Children really do need protection from some parents. I'm glad you had a good upbringing, be well.

I'm really sorry. I hope you are doing ok. Nobody should have to experience that.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by Tangurena2 »

areoform wrote: post #88

For the first time in human history, the cost of surveillance has dropped below the cost of privacy. It is more expensive today to maintain your privacy and anonymity than it is to surveil you. The collective surveillance grid makes it possible to track people's movements, whereabouts, their predilections, political views, personal images and more for a few cents every day. It's a bargain. And in this new world, the…

> And they will be used to watch you.

The next generation of cellular service, 6G, will include something called Integrated Sensing and Communications. ISAC will be a millimeter radar that uses cellphones to see all sorts of behavioral stuff like, who you are next to, are you/they breathing/walking/running/standing. No opt out at all. Similar to how some researchers are using WiFi signals in your home to see where you are in your house.

Sample:

https://www.techradar.com/computing/computing-security/this-...

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by noir_lord »

happymellon wrote: post #433

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but the war on anonymity was first (just) passed in the US at a state level as porn laws before it passed in the UK. Are we pretending that the porn id laws weren't a first attempt at getting forums like Reddit that might "accidentally" have naked pictures liable and therefore profile everyone? Because this is leaning on blaming to UK for everything the US is doing to itself an awful lot…

Not to mention the UN convention on cybercrime which is a ridiculous one since it makes co-operation necessary if the penalty in the home country is 4 or more years - there are quite a few countries where speaking out against the leader, been gay or been trans will get you that (or much much worse).

Canada opposed it originally and then quietly signed it most recently, the UK didn't start this stuff though we are up to our tea drinking little necks in it as usual.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by Tangurena2 »

Llamamoe wrote: post #346
areoform wrote: post #88

For the first time in human history, the cost of surveillance has dropped below the cost of privacy. It is more expensive today to maintain your privacy and anonymity than it is to surveil you. The collective surveillance grid makes it possible to track people's movements, whereabouts, their predilections, political views, personal images and more for a few cents every day. It's a bargain. And in this new world, the…

The question I would really like the "people" pushing so hard for surveillance to ask themselves is: How would the Nazi Germany and Hitler gone if they had this system in place, telling them who and where every single Jewish, gay, gypsy, disabled, or just ideologically opposed to them person was, 24/7? What about other insane rulers? What do you think they would - or rather, will - do with these systems?

Nations that kept detailed records of religious membership tended to have their Jews & Jehovah's Witnesses rounded up much faster than occupied nations that didn't keep such records.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by Tangurena2 »

fyredge wrote: post #502
Scaled wrote: post #471

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the lobbyist organizations is backed by the data broker industry (AVPA). And it's well known several privacy rapist corporations (Meta) are also backing these bills. So yes, it absolutely affects us, and that should be obvious. I'm convinced the pro comments are astroturfing. They've been caught doing it already on Twitter for these bills.

Is this [AVPA]( https://avpassociation.com/ )? As far as I can tell, they are a group that benefits from age verification because they directly provide the service. This is typical lobby behaviour? I was not aware that Meta is backing the bill, but based on how they already fingerprint each of their users, I don't see how an additional ID number affects their business model. I'm still left wondering how it affects us…

> because they directly provide the service. This is typical lobby behaviour?

Yes. Think of it this way: I make a profit from doing this, therefore I will lobby politicians to make my product mandatory.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by shevy-java »

The UK laws are indeed, oddly enough, much more restrictive than the US laws here. If there is one country with worse police powers than the USA it is the UK.

The UK people always complain about BREXIT now (which they themselves decided to go through via majority vote), but I am glad they can no longer sabotage the EU now.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by spwa4 »

ElProlactin wrote: post #350
b112 wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The large majority of the population in Vietnam, in both the North and the South, didn't want a foreign power controlling their country and determining their fate. They wanted to run their own country, and have peace. And yet, the poster you're replying to said no such thing . Not even close. They merely said they wanted help repelling an enemy. You're also using hindsight to frame this conflict, something entirely u…

> You're also using hindsight to frame this conflict, something entirely unfair to the people involved at the time. Millions upon millions of people around the world protested the Vietnam War, including millions of people in the US. On one day alone, an estimated 2+ million Americans participated in anti-war protests. Over 500,000 men were officially categorized as draft dodgers, more than 200,000 charged with violat…

How is any of this a response to my claim:

"The opposing party in the Vietnam war was far worse than the US on a moral level, before, during and after the war. And it wasn't a small difference. We're talking about democracy and democratically selecting laws here? Well: the large majority of the population in Vietnam, including in the North, wanted the US to defeat the Vietcong and the Soviets."

None of anything you guys have said even attempts to dispute that. The Vietnamese did not want Vietcong rule. Not in the North, not in the South. And that this shamed (or whatever your claim is) some ideology, probably your ideology, does not change that. The Vietcong "had to" do incredibly cruel and horrible things to force the loyalty of citizens. They emptied orphanages, executing kids and even babies, in the middle of the street, slowly, one by one, to "ensure loyalty". That is who you're dealing with here. This goes for A LOT of the parties that socialism supported, especially in Asia. And elsewhere. Socialism has always been enforced by terror, from the red terror in Russia to China's Public Security Bureaus.

You might be right that that does not make the other side 100% good. But you should not get confused. Comparing US, including all the atrocities it committed, to the Vietcong? No sane person has to think even 1 second about that comparison: USA! USA! USA! I certainly do not always agree with what the US government does, the more recent the actions, the less I agree, but that does not bring it even close to the level of the Vietcong.

And that this does not fit your ideology? Tough. Was USA behavior very inconvenient, even unfair, to the people executing children? You know perfectly well how sorry you should feel about that.

But we all know: that's just not what you care about.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by Tangurena2 »

iamnothere wrote: post #40
walrus01 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> trying to plan for managing the fallout Put in a less polite way, they're preparing for the metaphorical pitchforks and torches held by mobs of the common people which might manifest themselves in a more kinetic format.

Yes. My hope is that the rare earths shortage, memory shortage, and current focus on munitions will delay the era of drone-based policing until after the crisis.

"Rare earths" aren't rare, they're just hard to separate and produce quite toxic & radioactive slag (they're the bottom 2 rows of the periodic table and "rare earth" mines & refineries that were operating in the US are now SuperFund sites). Due to CEOs offshoring work, most of the refining is now done in China. And the Chinese don't want to keep exporting the bare metals, they want to export the things made from those metals - like motors and electric cars made from those motors.

And the "memory shortage" is a byproduct of the AI datacenter bubble. Which is a disaster that will crash the economy.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by vixen99 »

expedition32 wrote: post #530
stuaxo wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have dark money in the UK too and linked to the same orgs it just arrives via different channels.

You cannot make anonymous donations in my country so we know who the Israeli and American agents are.

And just a few of the Hamas agents as well.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

like_any_other wrote: post #596
inigyou wrote: post #589

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ok good. Except for the viewing thing. That one is crazy. Most of what you described is just disinformation though and I'm fine with the UK taking a different approach than the US.

> Most of what you described is just disinformation though “We will be a minority in our homeland by 2066” is accurate: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/white-briton... Burning the Koran is not a statement of fact, so it cannot be disinformation. "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs" is also accurate (though the precise number is contentious, mostly because the police turned a bli…

lol, this is odd.

British =/= Briton

And English most certainly =/= Briton.

No more than English == Iroquois

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