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Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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We've banned this account for using HN primarily for ideological/political/religious battle. That's not allowed here, regardless of what you're battling for or against. See https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... for past explanations. (Single-purpose accounts aren't allowed in general, btw.)

This is both harsh and untrue. While I've allowed myself to be baited here, I've clearly discussed other topics.

This is (was?) a somewhat new account as well. How big of a buffer should I have before I'm allowed to discuss controversial topics without fearing the ban hammer?

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We've banned this account for using HN primarily for ideological/political/religious battle. That's not allowed here, regardless of what you're battling for or against. See https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... for past explanations. (Single-purpose accounts aren't allowed in general, btw.)

This is both harsh and untrue. While I've allowed myself to be baited here, I've clearly discussed other topics. This is (was?) a somewhat new account as well. How big of a buffer should I have before I'm allowed to discuss controversial topics without fearing the ban hammer?

We have no interest in being unfair, and anyone who genuinely wants to use HN as intended should have no trouble getting unbanned.

In this context, the test for whether an account is using HN as intended or not is whether it is primarily using the site for ideological/political/etc. battle. If an account is mostly using HN for the latter, which yours plainly is, then it's not using the site as intended.

I think that answers your question, no? It's not about buffer size, it's about what an account is primarily using HN for. It's supposed to be used for intellectual curiosity in a kind of meandering random walk. It's not supposed to be used for prosecuting fixed agendas, regardless of what the agenda is.

Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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This is both harsh and untrue. While I've allowed myself to be baited here, I've clearly discussed other topics. This is (was?) a somewhat new account as well. How big of a buffer should I have before I'm allowed to discuss controversial topics without fearing the ban hammer?

We have no interest in being unfair, and anyone who genuinely wants to use HN as intended should have no trouble getting unbanned. In this context, the test for whether an account is using HN as intended or not is whether it is primarily using the site for ideological/political/etc. battle. If an account is mostly using HN for the latter, which yours plainly is, then it's not using the site as intended. I think that…

I disagree on what is plain here. Having said that, how does one go about getting unbanned?

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I'm pretty online, I've seen that skit and I to this day don't really know what a totenkopf looks like. I'd never heard the word before this Platner business either. Surprising you're saying it's well-known. Am I in some kind of bubble?

Hard for me to judge your bubble-ness, as I'm in a different bubble of ....I dunno, a recovered former Wehraboo? Those people who "study WW2" mostly to edge themselves about how militarily successful the Nazis were. I include a large part of the US military officer corps in this category, where quoting dead German generals is normalized. I had a copy of "The Cruel Hunters"[1] before I left high school back in 2001, s…

Dirlewanger became a meme because it was such an extreme case.

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We have no interest in being unfair, and anyone who genuinely wants to use HN as intended should have no trouble getting unbanned. In this context, the test for whether an account is using HN as intended or not is whether it is primarily using the site for ideological/political/etc. battle. If an account is mostly using HN for the latter, which yours plainly is, then it's not using the site as intended. I think that…

I disagree on what is plain here. Having said that, how does one go about getting unbanned ?

I counted about 20 comments on political topics and 4 on others. That's plainly on the wrong side of the "primarily" test.

If you want to commit to using the site primarily for intellectual curiosity and only secondarily for politics/ideology/etc., we can unban the account.

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It's not like it's a swastika, it was a skull and crossbones that turns out to have been used by the SS (I think?). I had no idea that particular image was nazi-related and I don't think most other people would have either. As far as "mistakes made by marines on shore leave" go it's pretty mild. Honestly his more recent scandals are more concerning as far as character. Platner's upside is being a senator that's not f…

It's an extremely well known nazi symbol. Probably second behind the swastika itself. There's even that famous "are we the baddies" meme, which uses that symbol as a central pillar of the gag.

Yeah, it's not like he had a generic “skull with bone” tattoo (for which he could say it's a pirate flag or something), he had the literal “3rd SS Panzer Division Totenkopf” emblem:

Just compare both images:

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_SS_Panzer_Division_Totenko...

- https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/graham-platner-nazi-tattoo...

(That being said, I find the reaction from GOP-affiliated media and “influencers” very hypocritical, given that they were fine with Elon, then Steve Bannon, doing a Nazi salute on stage or MAGA people carrying Swastika flags in the street)

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Speakers of Semitic languages are Semitic. This isn't controversial, unclear, or irrelevant.

I don’t know why you would assert this like it’s any of those things. You can look it up if you don’t believe me; you would be considered extremely weird for talking about “Semites” as a coherent racial or ethnic category around anthropologists. (By comparison: nobody who isn’t a racist talks about Japhetites or Hamites, but these are the coextensive groups implied by the existence of Semites.)

I have simply referred to speakers of Semitic languages. You are the one concerned about whether this group comprises some kind of orthodox taxonomic grouping.

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I don’t know why you would assert this like it’s any of those things. You can look it up if you don’t believe me; you would be considered extremely weird for talking about “Semites” as a coherent racial or ethnic category around anthropologists. (By comparison: nobody who isn’t a racist talks about Japhetites or Hamites, but these are the coextensive groups implied by the existence of Semites.)

I have simply referred to speakers of Semitic languages. You are the one concerned about whether this group comprises some kind of orthodox taxonomic grouping.

Speakers of Semitic languages are not "Semites" either.

I'm sorry for responding as though we were using the received definition, because we're now solidly in the "Elon Musk is African American" quadrant of stupid I/P meta-arguments.

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Honestly, I agree with the previous comment on your need for self-reflection. Everything you're accusing Palestinians of doing, israel has done: Hides behind civilians? Check; Discounts the sanctity of children's lives? Check; Kidnapped kids? Check; Kills them, too. Don't kill civilians. Don't kill children. Especially if they're being used as human shields. It really is that easy. Whatever desires israel may have (e…

I've read your comments. You're just rage bating and spreading lies with intention. I don't know how you're not banned.

Like this?:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48520203

Might I suggest you take a step back? This is an issue that is hurtful to people on both sides, and you're taking it very personally and sinking to insulting other HN posters. That's not really in the spirit of HN.

Maybe we can start again with a shared foundation of understanding: We can both agree that 1 civilian being bombed is equally as bad as another civilian being bombed, regardless of whether they are israeli or Palestinian, right? That no civilian's life is more or less valuable than any other's, regardless of which country they live in or hail from?

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