What part of the recent history of vibe coded projects has not resulted in low quality, bug laden code? Dismissing this a "purely speculative" is just like dismissing the weather report as "purely speculative" when deciding what to wear in the morning.
Low quality, bug laden code has existed long before LLMs and it'll continue to exist long after. Their rationale about avoiding future headaches could literally apply to any open source project they have a dependency on.
Sometimes I step in dog poop. That doesn't mean I want to go to a dog park, find all the poop and roll around in it.
primeagen's view He's a content creator on youtube, a celebrity, not a serious programmer.
He was a software engineer at Netflix before turning to content creation. It is also clear watching his videos that he knows his thing. As an experienced programmer myself, I find his commentary to be way too relatable to be just bluff. He may not be Don Knuth, Linus Torvalds, John Carmack or Fabrice Bellard. But he is definitely a serious programmer. That he livestreams doesn't make him less of a programmer.
It is clear watching his content that he just chases whatever the talk of the day is and chiming in on things he has no knowledge of.
I don't have the emotional energy to care, actually. This is actually fascinating. How does my opinion matter? Should I join all the socials (this is my only form of social media) and stand on my soapbox and shout into the void? Do I need to express I care so others know I care and have picked a side and have opionions on evrything? I do not care. My opinion does not matter. I can scream into all the voids. I can vir…
> I do not care. My opinion does not matter. I can scream into all the voids. I can virtue signal until the heat death of the universe/until I die, it matters not. I don't have the desire to spend the limited emotional bandwidth on giving a flaming fuck about the world around me. I'm not that arrogant or self-centered to think anyone else cares. “Learned helplessness” himself graced us with his presence.
On the whole, I think vibe coded test suites can be pretty good. But it really depends on how you prompt. I often get the AI to brainstorm needed tests into a text file while it works. Then later I get another agent to write tests based on the list. It does a reasonable job. Its also pretty good at writing regression tests when it fixes a bug. Where LLMs struggle - or at least where claude struggles - is fixing the a…
I find that adversarial multi agent setups eventually fall down because one side or the other always manages to convince the other side to give up given enough time. I’ve tried all sorts of things to keep Claude from cheating, but the only one that works is to restrict access to the tests files, which obviously isn’t a real solution. We recently had an “AI week” at work and I spent $1000 in tokens trying out differen…
My setup always has an adversarial loop, when speccing, when planning, when building. It never finds everything though, even obvious things. So I have copilot check at the end and it finds things. But for whatever reason, maybe magic prompting, I don’t know, but I have a Claude routine that checks all commits of the last 24 hours and it has fresh PRs every morning. Legit ones too.
No "engineering" ever stepped foot near that pile of godawful slop.
> pile of godawful slop. Any software engineer that still rejects the concept of agentic coding is frankly NGMI. If you still see AI this way, you simply never bothered to update your priors, which is just not survivable in this career. I do hope you're already independently wealthy.
Ooh, I'm scared.
> I do hope you're already independently wealthy.
Nah, I'm good. I'll be selling llama.cpp slop to people like you when I retire.
Glad to sea that yt-dp continues to be run by competent and reasonable people. Can't imagine what my web experience would be like without it since it has become almost as essential as an ad blocker due to the failure of web browsers to implement adequate native video streaming support and the resulting mess of shitty javascript-based mess of page-specific video players.
> It’s all the same just different syntax. That reminds me of Chris Reigrut's story from https://thedailywtf.com/articles/Holiday_Smorgasbord
I don't know why but AI and LLMs seems to make people to lose basic sense of rationality. I didn't think we would have seen so many comments such as "It’s all the same just different syntax" after a full rewrite some years ago.
AI psychosis is really a sight to behold. Perhaps most worryingly, otherwise intelligent people don't seem to be any more safe from it.
bun was never the recommended js runtime when they first announced its need for yt support [1]. in fact they recommended deno over all, even regular node. depending on the environment of choice, these runtimes are only used to bypass certain blockers. it is not that deep. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45898407
> these runtimes are only used to bypass certain blockers
That's underplaying it quite a bit. They are needed for non-gimped resolutions on the certain little video service that the project is named after, and will be needed in more cases for it in the future.