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Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by threethirtytwo »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #625
threethirtytwo wrote: post #622

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I value it. But I value it practically and NOT delusionally in the sense that I understand that even though there is law, there will always be people who break the law. Then when I take this non-delusional perspective and apply it to the US I understand that the US and every country on the face of the earth has a degree of corruption. Then I do another realistic comparison about the DEGREE of corruption... and we fin…

> there will always be people who break the law. I find this phrasing choice interesting. Of course there will always be people who break the law. There are always people who are going to attempt to do things they're not supposed to do for a variety of reasons. Rule of law is about consistent application of the law. Laws that aren't consistently applied are just words on paper. It seems to me that what you actually i…

Bro what I'm saying is you're wrong. The US is Not lawless and musk is NOT a psychopath. That's ALL.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #631
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #625

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> there will always be people who break the law. I find this phrasing choice interesting. Of course there will always be people who break the law. There are always people who are going to attempt to do things they're not supposed to do for a variety of reasons. Rule of law is about consistent application of the law. Laws that aren't consistently applied are just words on paper. It seems to me that what you actually i…

Bro what I'm saying is you're wrong. The US is Not lawless and musk is NOT a psychopath. That's ALL.

And I'm saying you have no principled stance on the rule of law.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by DarkBrocoli »

j16sdiz wrote: post #528
granzymes wrote: post #98

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My own thoughts: If I had been on the jury, I would have found against Musk on every point. His lawyers created a “3 phases of doubt” to try and sidestep the statute of limitations, but it was clearly bogus and he was on notice of OpenAI creating a for-profit in 2019. Musk was perfectly happy to have OpenAI be a for-profit, a non-profit with an attached for-profit (the current structure), or even just absorbed into T…

> If I had been on the jury, I would have found ... No, you wouldn't. The case was thrown out of court before you have any chance to comment or decide on that. Jury don't randomly "found" something. The court ask questions, the Jury answers those.

> The case was thrown out of court before you have any chance to comment or decide on that.

No, it has been decided by the jury https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69013420/572/musk-v-alt...

> Jury don't randomly "found" something. The court ask questions, the Jury answers those.

And here the jury has been asked questions about the statute of limitation, which is exactly what the parent commenter is referring to.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by threethirtytwo »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #632
threethirtytwo wrote: post #631

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Bro what I'm saying is you're wrong. The US is Not lawless and musk is NOT a psychopath. That's ALL.

And I'm saying you have no principled stance on the rule of law.

And your statement is wrong and you know it. I obviously do. You’re just being pedantic.

1. You say the US is unlawful

2. I say take a look at every country on the face of the earth. The US is among the least unlawful. That’s the most realistic outlook.

3. You say I have no principled stance on law.

4. Conclusion: someone is stupid, pedantic and completely missing the topic at hand and it’s not me.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #634
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #632

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And I'm saying you have no principled stance on the rule of law.

And your statement is wrong and you know it. I obviously do. You’re just being pedantic. 1. You say the US is unlawful 2. I say take a look at every country on the face of the earth. The US is among the least unlawful. That’s the most realistic outlook. 3. You say I have no principled stance on law. 4. Conclusion: someone is stupid, pedantic and completely missing the topic at hand and it’s not me.

You accept drastically increasing corruption as "normal".

That is a corrupt world view and you do not care about the rule of law.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by aeternum »

ben_w wrote: post #614
aeternum wrote: post #612

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> Every battleship is a hospital not built It's sad that this is believed when it's most often the opposite. Especially in this case we have a literal historical example. You'll never guess what Henry Kaiser built before creating Kaiser, the largest set of hospitals in CA.

I can't imagine why you think that's a good example. The money spent on the ships* could not be double-spent on hospitals. The workers whose manual labour was dedicated to those later ships could not be simultaneously dedicated to more hospitals. The crew of a battleship cannot be simultaneously working in a hospital, the maintenance teams repairing it cannot be simultaneously repairing a hospital. Every resource-man…

This could be true if labor were ever the bottleneck in construction projects.

It almost never is.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by threethirtytwo »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #635
threethirtytwo wrote: post #634

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And your statement is wrong and you know it. I obviously do. You’re just being pedantic. 1. You say the US is unlawful 2. I say take a look at every country on the face of the earth. The US is among the least unlawful. That’s the most realistic outlook. 3. You say I have no principled stance on law. 4. Conclusion: someone is stupid, pedantic and completely missing the topic at hand and it’s not me.

You accept drastically increasing corruption as "normal". That is a corrupt world view and you do not care about the rule of law.

It’s normal because every country on the face of the earth has it.

It is not a corrupt world view it is a view that is entrenched in this concept called REALITY.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #637
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #635

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You accept drastically increasing corruption as "normal". That is a corrupt world view and you do not care about the rule of law.

It’s normal because every country on the face of the earth has it. It is not a corrupt world view it is a view that is entrenched in this concept called REALITY.

We are not the same, you and I.

I still believe better things are possible. You've given up, or given in.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by threethirtytwo »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #638
threethirtytwo wrote: post #637

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s normal because every country on the face of the earth has it. It is not a corrupt world view it is a view that is entrenched in this concept called REALITY.

We are not the same, you and I. I still believe better things are possible. You've given up, or given in.

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