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Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Irish here, it was never EU or Irish. The Collisons are Irish but Stripe is an American company. The profits are ultimately repatriated to the United States.

Ah I see, don't know where I got the impression they were setup in Ireland! Thanks for the info though.

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Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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I had taken my email to mailbox.org many years ago and I have been paying the price (not the fee/cost) ever since. The service doesn't have zero support, it has negative support. If you ever face any issue the responses are such that knee-jerk reactions by toddlers would be no match. Sadly I've used their domain email at so many places that even winding it all down seems so tough and it will take long. I am going to…

I made the very opposite experience with mailbox.org! Very competent people, very friendly, reliable. Absolutely no problems.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Which is just wildly backwards. It is the same mindset of the cyberpunk "privacy advocates" of the early 2000s, move your stuff to Sealand or Switzerland. The fundamental flaw with this plan is if your fear is genuinely of the United States, your data is far more protected inside the US. The intelligence community has no restrictions operating on foreign networks and servers. Rather than go to a FISA court for approv…

I wish I believed that they have to go to the FISA court for much of anything any more. Instead they go to Palantir and the like which simply buy the data and aggregate it. Very similar to the process of money laundering. And for the data that can't be bought there's the five eyes work around.

Huh? They buy the data themselves from data brokers, no need to go through a middleman.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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As a Canadian who has been listening to the "51st state" wordvomit coming out of US administration your comment is very apt. For some reason I can't fully grasp, a LOT of US citizens are ignorant to how the rest of the world is perceiving them at the current moment. There's countless US articles talking about US/Canada relations as if it is a trade dispute and that they think Canadians are eager to re-unite and go ba…

For some reason I can't fully grasp, a LOT of US citizens are ignorant to how the rest of the world is perceiving them at the current moment. Lets help them via visualisation: from rank 30 to 48 in just one year https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-countries-with-the-b...

This becomes even more striking if you look at who they surveyed:

> They asked citizens across the G7 (Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the U.K., and the U.S.)

They're not even asking those from the half of the world that has been bombed or coup d'etated by the US in the last half century. They're asking those who should on paper dislike the US the least.

People from those countries ranking the US below India, Mexico, South Africa and Turkey is quite something. Israel coming in at 55th out of 60, below Saudi Arabia, is also fantastic proof of how incredibly unrepresentative these "representative democracies" are of their populace. The US and Germany are even 2 of the 7 surveyed countries! Without them I wouldn't be surprised if they came in last, under Iran and China.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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As a Canadian who has been listening to the "51st state" wordvomit coming out of US administration your comment is very apt. For some reason I can't fully grasp, a LOT of US citizens are ignorant to how the rest of the world is perceiving them at the current moment. There's countless US articles talking about US/Canada relations as if it is a trade dispute and that they think Canadians are eager to re-unite and go ba…

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> Is the rest of the world going to stop trying to immigrate here, though

Yes. If you look for example at people from the world leader in science and technology, China, then there is a very noticeable drop in the number of young Chinese people wanting to study in,or after graduation stay in, the US.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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The fear is not "NSA is snooping on our customer data", it's "Trump has a beef with our premiere minister/president, and Jeff Bezos accepted Trumps request to turn off AWS from them" that's the fear. We're far beyond the default assumption that NSA snoops on absolutely everything, and more about protection ourselves from trade wars, tariffs and similar blockages as what Microsoft did with the ICC.

So you’re scared of losing AWS? What about the ability to have global IP space? That’s still firmly in US control.

The US won't want to do that because China will have an alternative ready within a day and every China-friendly country will migrate to it. Now US leadership is demented, luckily they've never heard of IPs and I really don't believe it would happen. I think the likelihood of them starting WW3 is more likely than using IPs for power games.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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>I don't think I've seen such a clear shift in public opinion so fast before Its not about public opinion, but rather data sovereignty requirements. Certain types of data must be processed within servers located in the EU, regardless of where the company's HQ is. That's why you see most SaaS platforms nowadays offer a EU-only version.

I remember when iCloud arrangements required by China was seen as draconian. Now it seems we're not far from people cheering for such laws elsewhere...

The people calling those draconian had always been very naive - and 99% of them American, as such incentivized to take that stance. It was the right thing to do since day 1 and the people with more of a long-term vision outside the US have always been advocating for such things. While China is the most extreme, there are other countries which have also understood this importance of sovereignty and been smart enough to at least demand/construct meaningful degrees of it. Mostly in Asia and the Middle East. Not a single EU country was among them, which is why they're now scrambling.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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post #571

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Yes but hetzner sell a lot of older hardware for bargain basement prices. It's their thing. They're more of a traditional hoster. Scaleway's compute is more like Amazon EC2.

>"Scaleway's compute is more like Amazon EC2" - meaning they give less and charge more. Thanks but I'll pass. Hardware I rend from Hetzner is usually 16 core AMD with 128GB RAM and couple of nvme's. Never had single failure. Of course I periodically buy new server, do deploy. Old one becomes standby and standby of the old gets cancelled. Scaleway's offer of the same computing power is highly unattractive comparativel…

What I mean is Scaleway is more dynamic cloud-like. You spin stuff up and pay by the hour. It's not really as cost effective for static 24/7 stuff just like Amazon isn't.

That's exactly what I meant by Hetzner being more traditional.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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US states follow US federal law for much of the same reason, because the federal government will withhold funds. We do not use our military to force states to comply with federal law. There’s an entire court system to handle governors who ignore federal law. “Threat of violence”…lmao

> We do not use our military to force states to comply with federal law. Isn't the National Guard in the US considered to be a part of the military? I seem to recall that they were federalized/deployed at least twice recently, because supposedly state-actors/police didn't do enough to combat violence, or to protect federal workers or something like that? Also, hasn't the current administration threaten to deploy the…

A National Guard's chain of command has the Governor of the state as the head of each State's National Guard. There are conditions where command can temporarily be redirected under federal control, but those are somewhat limited in practice. Usually even under certain emergencies, the technical command structure is still at a state level.

There are a lot of reasons behind some of these distinctions, and some interesting history. But the National Guard kind of serves as the official Militia for each given state... But is far from the coverage meant for what a militia should be when compared to say the first militia act under US law.

Edit: regarding any requests/threats of use... it's generally voluntary use of guardsmen from a state whose governor is friendly to the federal/presidential administration. Hence seeing national guard deployed from one state in order to handle what the president considers an emergency in another state when that state refuses a request.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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i find it amusing how you shoehorned US immigration issues/conspiracy into the above conversation

The entire reason that people in Europe care about moving their digital infrastructure from American cloud companies to European cloud companies is because they're upset about current American politics, particularly Trump being president. Immigration is one of the biggest issues in American politics right now, and is also a pretty big issue in the politics of basically every European country.

The comment I was responding to was claiming "For some reason I can't fully grasp, a LOT of US citizens are ignorant to how the rest of the world is perceiving them at the current moment." in the context of making an argument that American citizens should be concerned about people in foreign countries feeling threatened by potential actions of the US government and reacting to this by reducing their dependence on American cloud companies.

And my genuine response to this comment is that US citizens are less ignorant of how the rest of the world perceives them than the commenter thinks - because the rest of the world is still trying to physically come here (and often still trying to come here illegally, or remain here illegally - ICE is still arresting tons of people).

Immigrants who dislike the US generally don't stop talking about their problems with the US when they move here - but now they use their status as an immigrant to make a moral claim, that they are more authentically American than those who didn't move here, and so their understanding of what America is and should be is better and more moral than that of existing American citizens. You can go to any college campus and see what the foreign students are saying about the US, including what they're saying about the very policy of giving visas to foreign students to begin with. Or you can go to congress and see what the immigrant members of the house of representatives are saying about the US. There's no conspiracy.

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