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Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by literalAardvark »

array_key_first wrote: post #398
unyttigfjelltol wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Security is essential for an appliance like a smart phone. I fight the general purpose computing battle on my desktop with Linux, but on my phone I just need something that won’t be hacked.

I really don't understand this mentality at all. Freedom is about the ability to do more stuff, not the requirement to do more stuff. Meaning, everything you want to do with a locked down phone, you can do with an open one. There's no, like, gun to your head saying you HAVE to side load apps. You can just... not... do that. If you think side loading is insecure. You can download 100% of your apps from the play store.…

If you look at the workflows for these changes, you'll notice that some of them are actually there to prevent you from doing stuff under duress.

Like it or not, if one wants security some freedom will need to be moved elsewhere.

And since the market is heading that way, the only thing we can do is form an android sandbox SIG and maintain a fork for enthusiasts.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by kitd »

xigoi wrote: post #537
Cider9986 wrote: post #214

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GrapheneOS is significantly more secure, more private, and more free. Not sure why you would use /e/.

Because in order to use Graphene, you have to financially support the same company that is making Android less free.

Google could invest in Graphene as a hedge.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by sterlind »

xigoi wrote: post #537
Cider9986 wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GrapheneOS is significantly more secure, more private, and more free. Not sure why you would use /e/.

Because in order to use Graphene, you have to financially support the same company that is making Android less free.

they're working on it. GrapheneOS has serious plans to get a phone made for them. even more serious now that Google has become openly hostile to their project by no longer publishing the Pixel device tree when new releases come out.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by sterlind »

bpev wrote: post #225
vfclists wrote: post #218

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You mean buy a Google Pixel? How many people can afford one?

Motorola + Graphene coming 2027. I'm at least waiting to see what comes of that before making any decisions on my next phone.

hell yes. I'm glad they found an OEM to work with them.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by mbgerring »

poolnoodle wrote: post #606
aucisson_masque wrote: post #412

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Yeah but where you were losing a lot, you're now losing only a little bit. And on the other side, the benefits of using iOS over Android spyware outweighs the cons now.

You really think Apple doesn't gather data on what you do on your devices? This notion that Android == spyware is so old and boring but HN just loves Apple.

Google gets nearly all of its revenue from targeted advertising, and Apple does not. Apple has an incentive to restrict or completely deny third-party data collection, because they’ve made privacy a major part of their brand marketing and there is major reputational risk to Apple for being caught lying about this. Apple’s “Ask App Not To Track” feature made such a measurable dent in the revenue of various surveillance tech companies that they complained about it, loudly, including Meta paying for a full-page ad in the New York Times about it.

There are multiple objective reasons to believe that Apple is a more trustworthy actor here than other companies, including vulgar capitalistic reasons.

You can just say “pfft, wow, you really believe that?”, I guess, but if that’s your position there’s no reason to argue about this with you.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by frizlab »

fainpul wrote: post #136
pngwen wrote: post #68

This change has served me well! I have been a Mac OS X users for years who used an android phone. As soon as google announced their impending walled garden status, I went out and bought into the ios eco system. I have really been enjoying my iphone, ipad, and apple watch. You see, the only value that Android really offered me was the ability to run my own code on my own device. Since they are taking that away that ju…

Even after Google puts this crap in place, you can still uplodad your own apps to your own Android devices, using ADB. Doing the same for iOS, using Xcode, costs you USD 100 or more (depending on country) per year . I'm in no way defending Google here, just pointing out you're going from bad to worse and think it's a good thing.

No. You can upload your apps on your iPhone for free. You just need an Apple ID.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by frizlab »

brandonhorst wrote: post #176
fainpul wrote: post #136

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Even after Google puts this crap in place, you can still uplodad your own apps to your own Android devices, using ADB. Doing the same for iOS, using Xcode, costs you USD 100 or more (depending on country) per year . I'm in no way defending Google here, just pointing out you're going from bad to worse and think it's a good thing.

This is not true, running your code on your phone with Xcode has always been free.

This is not true either. At some point you had to pay. But it’s been a long time since they made it free (with caveats).

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

#639

Post by frizlab »

svat wrote: post #283
pngwen wrote: post #68

This change has served me well! I have been a Mac OS X users for years who used an android phone. As soon as google announced their impending walled garden status, I went out and bought into the ios eco system. I have really been enjoying my iphone, ipad, and apple watch. You see, the only value that Android really offered me was the ability to run my own code on my own device. Since they are taking that away that ju…

Here is a table I just made (edit: changed to list as HN wraps code blocks now), of iOS vs Android (now) vs Android (after Sep 2026 or 2027 or whenever these announced changes take effect): •1. Where most users can install software from: ↠↠ iOS: official store (App Store) + (in EU) other stores ↠↠ Android (now): official store (Play Store), other stores (e.g. F-Droid), arbitrary APKs ↠↠ Android (after changes): offic…

Nitpick: It’s written Xcode. Lowercase c.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by cryptonym »

literalAardvark wrote: post #631
array_key_first wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't understand this mentality at all. Freedom is about the ability to do more stuff, not the requirement to do more stuff. Meaning, everything you want to do with a locked down phone, you can do with an open one. There's no, like, gun to your head saying you HAVE to side load apps. You can just... not... do that. If you think side loading is insecure. You can download 100% of your apps from the play store.…

If you look at the workflows for these changes, you'll notice that some of them are actually there to prevent you from doing stuff under duress. Like it or not, if one wants security some freedom will need to be moved elsewhere. And since the market is heading that way, the only thing we can do is form an android sandbox SIG and maintain a fork for enthusiasts.

Let's not be naive by pretending improving user security is the main purpose of that move.
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