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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by jim33442 »

m463 wrote: post #241
niteshpant wrote: post #217

These are cool laptops. But, after getting a decent config (32gb ram, 1tb ssd, 7 series chip), the price is ~$2300. At that point, a MacBook Pro seems like a better choice. I'd not want to develop on anything less than that config. The selling point seems to be the Linux + Framework brand + highly customizable machine you can actually own I've always wondered if these laptops can scale beyond the enthusiast group. If…

This is a tough one because a macbook pro hooks you into the apple ecosystem and makes apple money. Let alone the macbook neo. This is like the really cheap televisions that harvest your data for profit. How can you compete/compare against vizio if it makes more on your data than on the television?

So I got a 13" MacBook Air recently. It didn't require me to log into iCloud, but I did cause I wanted some things synced, which is free cause I'm not uploading photos. I don't buy anything from the Mac App Store cause why. The OS lets me run anything I want on it. The hardware technically doesn't care what OS it runs, though nothing else really works unless you count Asahi. In what way am I locked into generating them more money?

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by cromka »

guerby wrote: post #471
cromka wrote: post #368

Too bad there's no second m2 slot for extra disk and no 5G WWAN support.

You can add extra disk via the removable slots, frame.work shop has various disk sizes.

Its not about size but being able to run a RAID1 setup for speed and redundancy. External USB storage doesn't help here.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by internet_points »

einpoklum wrote: post #199
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d prefer a non-touchscreen. Touchscreen does add about 200g of weight. Is that likely to be an option?

Exactly. Why would I touch my screen? My hands are on the keyboard, I'm not lifting them.

I thought I would never use one either, but whenever I use my SO's laptop with touchscreen, I keep touching the screen for "quick actions" like pausing video or starting apps or moving things around. I don't use it when I need precision, but when I need to just do one thing quickly where I don't need accuracy, I actually find it really handy.

But I wouldn't pay (much) extra for it.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by susanthenerd »

brson wrote: post #138

I'll take this opportunity to report on my Framework Laptop 13 experience. I've had it for over a year. The case is warped in multiple places. One USB C module doesn't accept a power charge reliably. It can overheat and shutdown. If the case flexes a little the trackpad stops responding - it needs to be on a flat surface. Power brick died. On the plus side, my partner had one and when she threw it away she gave me he…

I had to fight support for multiple times over the las 3 years of having mine due to repeated issues, breach of statutory warranty and so on

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by manuhabitela »

advirol wrote: post #623

What I miss is a keyboard with dedicated keys for Home, End, Insert, Delete, PageUp, and PageDown. Sadly, this is still something only ThinkPads get right. I really would like to give other laptops a chance but the substandard keyboards of most laptops are always holding me back.

yeah, why don't vendors just copy the damn thinkpad layout? It's a _pro_ line-up, we deserve a keyboard where _pros_ can directly use the keyboard shortcuts in their _pro_ apps :)

I wonder if the 13 pro uses qmk or similar for its keyboard firmware, I think the framework 16 does, so maybe? Being able to re-arrange on the hardware level the Fn-key related layer would make it the perfect laptop keyboard for me.

Otherwise, it rubs me the wrong way to pay 3 000€ for a premium device with a rather frustrating keyboard layout. But oh well, paying even more for macbook pros that have an even worse keyboard makes the pill easier to swallow I guess.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by universa1 »

grep_name wrote: post #464
chis wrote: post #28

It's so cool that every individual upgrade they did here can be hot-swapped back to the older designs. That's a huge extra lift that they didn't have to do. To be specific: There's a new lower chassis, and a new chassis top with haptic touchpad. On my older framework I could buy just the chassis top to get the new touchpad. Crazy that they could make that work. I also just really admire the CEO for doing these semi-s…

I have a framework 13. It looks like eventually you'll be able to upgrade the chassis to the pro one, including the battery, for under 200? Am I reading this right? That's borderline unbelievable to me

if you count all parts, bottom, keyboard, cover, battery its more like 500 to 600.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by stavros »

dangus wrote: post #570
stavros wrote: post #504

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Does anyone know whether the AMD chips are more performant? I like AMD more as a company, especially since I like healthy competition. I'd prefer an AMD chip if it's as efficient and performant as the Intel ones.

Absolutely don’t buy the AMD 300 series chips in the current Framework 13” lineup. Panther Lake is what you want. It’s a large leapfrog over what AMD has been offering for this product category. You’ll get far better battery life for all use cases as well as performance that matches or beats AMD. Also, if you select the X7 you’re getting the best integrated graphics on the market that isn’t made by Apple - basically…

This is a great answer, very helpful. Thanks!

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by vincentkriek »

vbezhenar wrote: post #611

This page is confusing and maybe even misleading. They write "Linux first". Few paragraphs later they write: 20 hours, Netflix 4K streaming, 250nit brightness, 30% volume, Windows 11. Why didn't they stream Neflix on Ubuntu they ship with? Overall it looks awesome. I just bought Thinkpad T14s upgrading from the same model of older generation, I wish Framework would expand its sales coverage, probably would buy it wit…

4k on linux is not possible due to drm I think?

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by tikkabhuna »

trelane wrote: post #224
iknowstuff wrote: post #151

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Macs have that too, just implemented well. In addition, CPUs with connected standby don’t have the normal sleep so even on linux they run in connected standby. Maybe its less buggy in your case? Consider yourself lucky, lots of people encounter problems with sleep on linux

> lots of people encounter problems with sleep on linux Yeah, because they buy a Windows laptop, slap Linux on it, and expect it to work. OSX sucks even more by this metric; it won't even install!

I was looking into hibernation on my Framework 13 with Ubuntu. Debian doesn't support it with SecureBoot enabled. Now you might say "just disable SecureBoot", but that is a whole new concept to understand.

I've found suspend performance has improved since upgrading to a kernel that supports the AMD 7640U NPU cores. I have no concrete evidence of that though.

I'm happy to accept poorer sleep performance to have a repairable laptop and Linux OSS (with good support), but I wouldn't say its problem free.

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