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>Again do you have some sort of example or evidence? There is discrepancy between what Vanunu said and what the government of Israel said. Evidence points to Vanunu being truthful, thus naturally, the Israeli government are liars.
> and what the government of Israel said Again do you have a particular statement in mind?
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> Lying Again do you have some sort of example or evidence? > your country I'm not Israeli > the countless "execptions" it claims for itself What exceptions? They don't need an exception to an agreement that they never consented to. > played games about nukes It's not much of a game, they just don't divulge sensitive information about their capabilities. > transferred or decommissionied Why would Israel give up a mea…
Who said anything about the NPT? The exceptions are to such things as audits of nukes which the other party here, Iran has had no problems with. Israel also claims exception and offense to the ICCPR which was one of the examples I had in mind of how Israel always seems to want "exceptions" for perfectly normal things. >It's not much of a game, they just don't divulge sensitive information about their capabilities. No…
What would be illegal about them? Israel never agreed to the NPT.
> Nobody is expecting them to divulge any intelligence about its nuclear weapon systems.
Even if Israel could trust a group of foreign auditors not to leak any military secrets, what information would you hope to gain from the exercise? Confirmation that Israel does have nuclear weapons, which we already know in practice anyway?
> you'd still want to interfere and bomb their attempts at making nukes
Only as long as a regime with an official stance of "Death to America and Israel" is in charge.
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> and what the government of Israel said Again do you have a particular statement in mind?
"We neither confirm nor deny" then prosecuting the man who "confirmed" by illegally kidnapping him from a neutral foreign country.
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"By what metric?" By the fact that Trump hasn't killed thousands of people to stay in power. Pretty simple really. Protesting the US government is still legal. Protesting the Iranian government in Iran will get you killed.
> By the fact that Trump hasn't killed thousands of people to stay in power. Oh? How many do you think he has killed? How many people have died so far because of Trump's aid to Israel? How many people have died because of the cuts to USAID? How many Iranians has Trump killed? How many Iranian children? ... Compare to, how many Americans did the Iranian government kill? How certain are you that the conditions in the I…
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Why not? Then I should in WW2 times have said we must oppose jews and work our hardest to disarm jews and their defenders. Hitler did Lebensraum? I don't vouch for the incentives nor actions of Israel. You seem to have some kind of hallucinatory issue where you see chemical weapons where there are none, and accuse a country that has never done and shown no signs of Lebensraum of doing so while completely ignoring the…
> Why not? Then I should in WW2 times have said we must oppose jews and work our hardest to disarm jews and their defenders. Hitler did Lebensraum? I don't vouch for the incentives nor actions of Israel. I don't understand your argument? > You seem to have some kind of hallucinatory issue where you see chemical weapons where there are none, and accuse a country that has never done and shown no signs of Lebensraum of…
Yes, you seem to be having some issue with your glasses or monitor today, so I will just write it again to make it clearer.
Israel is the only country in this conflict who has and is engaging in Lebensraum.
I think your problem with your monitor might cover a large swath of the screen so it is beneficial for me to repeat the key text a few more times, so that it has a better chance of getting past your screen's problems:
Israel is the only country in this conflict who has and is engaging in Lebensraum.
Israel is the only country in this conflict who has and is engaging in Lebensraum.
Israel is the only country in this conflict who has and is engaging in Lebensraum.
Israel is the only country in this conflict who has and is engaging in Lebensraum.
>Also take note that anyone else reading along will think it strange that of all possible manners of dying you mentioned the right mode before I mentioned it to you, basically saying you also see it.
That's because its the only logical reading of your brain machinations I can think of when seeing a video of a person fainting, when literally no other news in the world seems to say chemical weapons about her, even if it mentions chemical attacks on other people. Again, you have another weird thing where you feel a country would bring out obscure chemical war agents just to kill a single person. Chemical agents are for the battlefield to kill thousands of people. For a single person, any perfectly mundane poison or chemical is fine even if that were actually the case.
Who said anything about European Lebensraum?
Israel is ALREADY AND EXPLICITLY ENGAGING IN LEBENSRAUM. Israel is the only country doing lebensraum. Iran has shown no interest in Lebensraum. If you are so concerned about Lebensraum, go attack Israel and decapitate their military capabilities.
Both Iran and Israel are governed by religious fanaticism, if you wish to twist and redefine Lebensraum to be something ridiculous it clearly isn't then Israel is engaging in DOUBLE LEBENSRAUM, not just the original Hitleric definition of Lebensraum but also your completely made up imaginary definition of Lebensraum. Again, go launch a military campaign against Israel if you are so worried about that.
Since you love puzzles so much, I will give you a much better puzzle with clear objective answers. Tell me who said this quote, and whether the nations he mentioned have ever threatened his country:
"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force."
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Why would Iran end up further isolated due to this war, and out of escalation? (your sentence is slightly ambiguous so I assume that you are referring to it.) If it successfully asserts control over the Strait as it seems to presently be doing, it should be able to negotiate a peace favorable to itself. Even with the status quo, I don't know how that figures into things, but the US has temporarily lifted sanctions on…
I think this is the elephant in the roomt - in terms of quantifiable goals, Iran is winning this thing. I think they're going to want to punish the US and Israel to an extent where they will be reluctant to feel this particular sting again, and they want to assert their ability to control the strait. And it's working! They're clearly demonstrating that the US cannot simply decide when this is over and dictate terms,…
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Who said anything about the NPT? The exceptions are to such things as audits of nukes which the other party here, Iran has had no problems with. Israel also claims exception and offense to the ICCPR which was one of the examples I had in mind of how Israel always seems to want "exceptions" for perfectly normal things. >It's not much of a game, they just don't divulge sensitive information about their capabilities. No…
> Illegal nukes What would be illegal about them? Israel never agreed to the NPT. > Nobody is expecting them to divulge any intelligence about its nuclear weapon systems. Even if Israel could trust a group of foreign auditors not to leak any military secrets, what information would you hope to gain from the exercise? Confirmation that Israel does have nuclear weapons, which we already know in practice anyway? > you'd…
I am neither Israeli nor Iranian. They can bomb and kill each other all they want as long as they don't involve anyone else. And they will continue bombing and killing each other as they are both driven by the classic cause of endless wars: religion and nationalism. I do not think one side better than other. I considered Israel mildly better but I had to change my stance. Being that I am not a fan of either country, I would prefer either Israel's nuclear capabilities be incapacitated or Iran develop nuclear capabilities as a balancing factor.
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> Why not? Then I should in WW2 times have said we must oppose jews and work our hardest to disarm jews and their defenders. Hitler did Lebensraum? I don't vouch for the incentives nor actions of Israel. I don't understand your argument? > You seem to have some kind of hallucinatory issue where you see chemical weapons where there are none, and accuse a country that has never done and shown no signs of Lebensraum of…
>I don't understand your argument? Yes, you seem to be having some issue with your glasses or monitor today, so I will just write it again to make it clearer. Israel is the only country in this conflict who has and is engaging in Lebensraum. I think your problem with your monitor might cover a large swath of the screen so it is beneficial for me to repeat the key text a few more times, so that it has a better chance…
To my knowledge European nations have never threatened his country, if you mean the modern state of Israel.
If you refer to the holocaust during WW2, then yes multiple European nations were collaborators and participated in the holocaust.
If you refer to earlier events, then also yes, there is a long history of persecution and Diaspora.
As I said, there are many nations that possess nuclear weapons, the non-proliferation treaties don't describe how to treat possessors of nuclear weapons, it describes agreements on how to prevent new nations from acquiring the capability.
Can you please tell me if you watched the long multi-segment video of the surveillance footage surrounding Mahsa Aminis death, or just the single scene of her collapse?
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> By the fact that Trump hasn't killed thousands of people to stay in power. Oh? How many do you think he has killed? How many people have died so far because of Trump's aid to Israel? How many people have died because of the cuts to USAID? How many Iranians has Trump killed? How many Iranian children? ... Compare to, how many Americans did the Iranian government kill? How certain are you that the conditions in the I…
Thanks for this comment, really. I always found it weird that people care so much about internal repression of some random countries (not Saudi Arabia, close ally of the US and one of the instigators of this war), but not military actions in third countries of its own (nor again repression by countries which solely exist because the US keeps their leaders in power like, again, Saudi Arabia).
It reminds me of that old joke:
> A KGB spy and a CIA agent meet up in a bar for a friendly drink. "I have to admit, I'm always so impressed by Soviet propaganda. You really know how to get people worked up," the CIA agent says. "Thank you," the KGB says. "We do our best but truly, it's nothing compared to American propaganda. Your people believe everything your state media tells them." The CIA agent drops his drink in shock and disgust. "Thank you friend, but you must be confused... There's no propaganda in America."
And that's only gotten more true every decade since. I don't see the US ever reaching the level of discourse where we question our 'allies' atrocities the same as [latest boogeyman]'s. And taking any accountability for our own war crimes? Not a chance. We'll invade anyone who tries (see the Hague Invasion Act).
At least when it comes to politics, the vast majority of the US lives on the Dunning-Kruger "Peak of Mount Stupid"; failing to clear the lowest possible bar while pointing fingers and laughing at everyone else.
All the money, all the access to information, and still that's where we're at. Weird af.
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> Then you can also fairly say they've killed billions of people No, you can’t. One, it exceeds Iran’s population. Two, no known method of estimation produces a reasonable guess at those levels. > there is no credible source in this scenario There are. There aren’t if you assume ex ante they don’t exist, or if you’re committed to ignoring them.
No, you can, because you can say some of the killed people could be citizens of India, China and/or US, this way you already cover 2.5B people
No, there aren't 2.5 billion people Tehran has the ability to kill. The fact that you're having to be this ridiculous to make your argument should give pause to its validity.
There are limits to knowability. But that doesn't mean everything is always unknowable. (Or, vice versa, that all scepticism is unwarranted.) Choosing to believe that is politically useful to anyone with power, which is why there is constantly propaganda to its effect. But it's not intellectually onest.