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Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#631
Translation is a form of AI-edition.

Language translation is the origin of (the current wave of) AI and its killer app. English is not the main language of the world, and translation opens us up to a huge pool of interesting thinkers.

I'm a native speaker in a foreign language, but out of practice except of a weekly family call. I recently had to write a somewhat technical email to my family, and found it easier to write it in (my more practiced) english and have AI translate it, than write it in the target language myself. Of course, in my case I was able to verify that the output conveyed the meaning I intended, because I am fluent in the target language.

As with the rise of GenAI, I've also noticed a rise of translated messages. It's usually hard to tell the difference, except by looking at the commenter's history (on other subreddits, impossible on HN).

I understand the original frustration with GenAI comments and reactionary response. I'm sorry that we're excluding what could be a large pool of interesting people because we can't tell the difference.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#633
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What a welcome post. The whole reason I come here is to get thoughtful input from smart people, and not what I could get myself from an LLM. While we are at it; Think your own thoughts as well :) I know how easy it is to "let it come up with a first draft" and not spend the real effort of thinking for yourself on questions, but you'll find it's a road to perdition if you let yourself slip into the habit. Thanks to al…

I try to "think my own thoughts" but then I see them elsewhere all the time.

My twitter bio has been "Thoughts expressed here are probably those of someone else." for over half a decade.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#634
But we are missing the point here.

It is not about whether the comment was written by AI, a native English speaker, English major, or ESL.

What matters is an idea or an opinion. That is all what matters.

This is similar to when people check someones post history and if they are pro Trump, they are immediately against their idea or opinion.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#635
Love to see it.

The next step is to run Pangram on every post and ban the offenders! Fight AI with AI! /s

In all seriousness, this is one of the few places I trust for genuine conversations with other people. Forums are mostly dead, Reddit is bots-galore, and I'm not signing up for Facebook just for groups.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#636
I hate how easy AI has made outsourcing thinking. You can literally type fragments of a thought into $CHAT_ASSISTANT and get a super polished response back that gets you 99% of the way there. It's almost like we, collectively, looked at the final scene of WALL-E and decided "Yes! Gimme that!"

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#637

I'm here to read what actual humans think. If I wanted to read what an LLM thinks, I could just ask it. But here's where it gets tricky: Do I prefer low-effort, off-the-top-of-my-head reactions, as long as it is human? Or do I want an insightful, well-thought-out response, even if it is LLM-enhanced? Am I here to read authentic humans because I value authenticity for its own sake (like preferring Champagne instead of…

> But it wouldn't surprise me if someday LLM-enhanced output becomes sufficiently superior to average human output that the choice to stick with authentic human output will be more painful.

My ideal vision is that instead of outsourcing indefinitely, we learn from the enhanced versions and become better independent writers.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#639
I've got some reflecting to do because the first thing I did after reading the headline, before even clicking to the actual post, is look for ai comments.

I miss pre 2010 internet. As soon as the advice animal memes started appearing on Facebook it was a quick decline.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#640

I'm absolutely 100% for this policy. My only caution is that good writers and LLMs look very similar, because LLMs were trained on a corpus of good writers. Good writers use semicolons and em-dashes. Sometimes we used bulleted lists or Oxford commas. So we should make sure to follow that other HN rule, and assume the person on the other end is a good faith actor, and be cautious about accusing someone of using AI. (I…

Good writers use semicolons and em-dashes. Sometimes we used bulleted lists or Oxford commas. - You seem to have a rather high opinion of your own writing :-) - Why the mix of tense (use/used)? - Oxford commas are a monstrosity

> Oxford commas are a monstrosity

Please don’t present your personal aesthetic beliefs as if those who disagree are morally wrong ‘bad people’. This ‘monstrosity’ comment in this context is derogatory-by-proxy of everyone (including the person you’re criticizing) who uses them, whether they know anything at all about your arguments that they should not, and that’s not really a good tone for us users here to be taking with each other.

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