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Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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I’m suggesting by referring to Iran as an Arab country, you have demonstrated you know very little about the Middle East.

Perhaps you may want to address my argument instead of nit-picking on that I used "Arab world" instead of "Middle East"?

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Having a brutal dictatorial regime that finances international terrorists on your doorstep does that to you.

Yes, all those radical Iranian-backed terrorists on Canada and France's doorsteps have radicalized them.

Citing Canada here is bad faith and you know it. For France that is unironically true.

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I can't recommend Heretic by Ayaan Hirsi Ali enough.

For those of us who haven't read it, could you explain why it's salient on this topic?

It's an English language book aimed for Westerner readers. It purports to argue that the core strategy for spreading Islam - terror - is not compatible with Western values. It also states that other features of Islam are incompatible with Western values, such as repression of women. The book argues that since these ideologies are incompatible with Western values, they must be abandoned.

However, the abandonment argument is only valid if one already accepts Western values as an axiom - which being an English-language book most of the readers would agree with. These readers will perceive the book to promote the reform of Islam into a religion that resembles a modern Christian denomination, just with different idols and prayers and holidays.

However those who do not come from the perspective of modern Christian values and as axiomic, will reject the argument outright. This is the Muslim population who might read it.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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I was just saying this to someone this morning. Iran’s theocracy was the only one that has withstood the Middle East political wars in Jordan, Syria, Afghanistan, etc. To rephrase it… if The Middle East was the UK, Iran would be British. If the Middle East was the US. Iran would be California.

> The Middle East was the UK, Iran would be British. Did you mean England perhaps, not "British"?

Why? Is Scotland innocent?

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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I work with and know a lot of Shia (non-Iranian) Muslims and listening to them talk about this assassination I'm convinced that the likelihood of attempted terror attacks against the US has increased significantly. The non-Iranian part is key. Millions of muslims around the world viewed the Iranian theocracy as the only power in the world fighting for Islam. They are devastated.

I was just saying this to someone this morning. Iran’s theocracy was the only one that has withstood the Middle East political wars in Jordan, Syria, Afghanistan, etc. To rephrase it… if The Middle East was the UK, Iran would be British. If the Middle East was the US. Iran would be California.

Another good analogy would be, said theocracy is (was?) like a very bad piece of legacy code, impossible to refactor, until the entire feature gets thrown in the trash.

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It’s so funny reading most comments here, knowing that they’d be celebrating and saying this is good if it was Netanyahu. But when it’s a maniacal islamist declaring his goal to be the destruction of US and Israel, it’s suddenly very nuanced.

No one liked the ayatollah, but if you think the president can go to war without congressional approval then you are unamerican. On top of that, the younger generation of the IRGC is more extreme than the current one, and there has never been a successful regime change by only using an air campaign. Dummies might point to Kosovo or Libya, but the opposition in those cases were armed. In Iran, the opposition is about to get slaughtered and oppressed further, unless we get boots on the ground.

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>maniacal islamist declaring his goal vs >maniacal 'whatever you call him' actually committed to methodically wipe out his neighbor

The first one is crippled by US sanctions, second one propped up by US taxpayers.

The duality of imperialism

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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I wonder how old the rest of the commentators are. I watched the Shock and Awe campaign. I watched Saddam fall. I remember thinking this is great. Years later, I understand it was a complete folly. Removing Saddam in itself was good but what it did the wider region was not good.

I am old enough. Iraq is not perfect today but so much better than it was. Go talk to Iraqis and see for yourself. It costs us some time, money and lives to get to this point. But Saddam (a tyrant who killed his own kind in masses with gas and started wars with neighbors) staying in power would have been way worse for the wider region.

And you frequently fly over to Iraq and explain that to the people there right? They nod in agreement with you. “We had to bomb and occupy your country and kill your citizens just like Saddam did remember? Now you’re better off after our failed occupation left your country. We’ll bomb you anytime; sure it costs us money is and the reason neither of our countries have healthcare but who needs healthcare when you have bombs and propaganda. You’re welcome.”

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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US is not at war with Iran. Only the Congress has the right to declare war.

Why can't you be at war without officially declaring it? We have had lots of wars not declared by congress. Korean War, Vietnam, the Gulf War, Afghanistan, Iraq. This seems like a weird way to think.

Explicit authorization is still required even if there there is no explicit declaration of war.

The caveat being that the president only needs to get the approval of congress after 60 days.

And of course Obama established a precedent with his intervention in Libya which weakened this even more…

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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The last thing they should do is to import the Shah's exiled family member and make him their figurehead again. Both him and the mullahs are bad news.

I think you are speaking about the last Shah's first son: Reza Pahlavi. You can read about his planned policy for Iran here: https://rezapahlavi.org/en To quote: > For the transition from the Islamic Republic to a national, secular, and democratic government One idea is to transition to a secular democracy with a figurehead Shah like a northern European (or Japanese) monarchy. Also, my personal opinion: I think it is…

What he says he's planning and what he will do are not necessarily the same thing. The former Shah's regime was really bad and paved the way for everything that happened afterwards. Between the SAVAK (which tortured and executed quite a few of those in opposition to the Shah regime) and excesses like Persepolis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,500-year_celebration_of_the_... ) there was created an atmosphere in which the mullahs seemed like a viable alternative.

To return to a scion of the man who put that all in place would - in my opinion, of course - be a massive mistake.

Keep in mind that the Shah was a client of the United States and the United Kingdom and that his son isn't doing this out of the goodness of his heart but because he wants what he thinks is his birthright back (he's been pretty vocal about that since his late teens), and that he has been living off wealth stolen from the Iranian people and squirreled out of the country by his father.

Of course he would present this as a transition but just wait until his ass hits that pluche and see if it isn't going to take another revolution to dislodge him.

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