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Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

slg wrote: post #389
tedsanders wrote: post #359

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The supply chain risk stuff is bogus. Anthropic is a great, trustworthy company, and no enemy of America. I genuinely root for Anthropic, because its success benefits consumers and all the charities that Anthropic employees have pledged equity toward. Whether Anthropic’s clear mistreatment means that all other companies should refrain from doing business with the US government isn’t as clear to me. I can see argument…

>Whether Anthropic’s clear mistreatment means that all other companies should refrain from doing business with the US government isn’t as clear to me. That isn't what many of us are challenging here. We're not concerned about OpenAI's ethics because they agreed to work with the government after Anthropic was mistreated. We're skeptical because it seems unlikely that those restrictions were such a third rail for the g…

Exactly this. Looks like we had the same conclusion. I really am inclined to believe that OpenAI given that its IPO'ing (soon?) would be absolutely decimated and employees would be leaving left and right if they proclaimed that, yes OpenAI is selling DOD autonomous killing machines.

But we all know how OpenAI is desperate for money, its the weakest link in the bubble quite frankly burning Billions and failed at Sora and there isn't much moat as well economically.

DOD giving them billions for a deal feels like a huge carrot on the stick and wink wink (let's have autonomous killing machines) with the skepticism that you, me or perhaps most people of the community would share.

I for what its worth, don't appreciate Anthropic in its whole (I do still remember perhaps the week old thread where everyone pushed on Anthropic for trying to see user data through API when they looked at the chinese models whole thing) but I give credit where its due and Enemy of my Enemy is my friend, and at the moment it seems that OpenAI might be more friendlier to DOD who wishes to create autonomous killing machine and mass surveillance systems which is like Sci-fi level dystopia rather than anthropic.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

onion2k wrote: post #560
readitalready wrote: post #407

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As an OpenAI employee, quitting wouldn't be a problem, as you have a much higher chance of being successful after quitting than anyone else. You could go to any VC and they would fund you.

This isn't even close to true. VCs aren't silly, and it's not the 2010-2015 days of free money any more. Having a big company on your resume is not enough to land your seed round. You need a product, traction, and real money revenue in most cases.

I mean, even if that's the case Facebook was hiring 100 Million$ just a few months ago though even poaching from OpenAI and I do think that these employees will always have an easier time getting a decent job offer from major companies in general as well. They may or may not be making the same money but, I do think that their morals have to be priced in as well.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by bishop_cobb »

fourside wrote: post #575
seanclayton wrote: post #540

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Unfortunately most engineers irrationally hate unions

Unions would’ve been useful at a time CEO’s are salivating at the idea of slashing jobs and replacing SWEs with AI.

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Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

mpalmer wrote: post #587
spongebobstoes wrote: post #579

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you're right, supply chain risk is not a negotiating tool. it's spite after talks have ended. it indicates a ruined relationship the oai deal is similar, but it includes technical safeguards. I think anthropic would have wanted the oai deal the deal was not only successful because the govt is rebounding. the miltary prefers boundaries to be technical, not contractual they can try using it, and trust that it will only…

> supply chain risk is not a negotiating tool. it's spite after talks have ended. No. It's unlawful abuse of power. > the miltary prefers boundaries to be technical, not contractual That's nice for the military. Meanwhile, Anthropic has the right to refuse the use of its IP without being subject to punishment by the government. You seem to me to be irretrievably "deal-brained", and not at all concerned about the obvi…

Adding more to this, IIRC US Govt threatened to invoke laws which have never been used against an American company in the entire history of US over two conditions that were:

1. No global surveillance on citizens

2. No autonomous killing machines (essentially)

That was it, Anthropic was fine with everything else but they couldn't (in their conscience?) agree to these two things and just these two very reasonable demands caused the govt. to spiral so bad.

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Post by wackget »

cheonn638 wrote: post #391
the_real_cher wrote: post #374

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This, for that check theyll be building the autonomous robots themselves, saying "theyre food delivery robots, thats not a gun that a drink dispenser!"

> theyre food delivery robots, thats not a gun that a drink dispenser!" You underestimate how many top AI scientists are perfectly okay with building autonomous weapons systems and are not ashamed of it. Me, and 99% of HN readers, will gladly pull the trigger to release a missile from a drone if we are paid even just US$1,000,000/year. Now note that many L7+ at OpenAI are making $10 million+ per year.

> Me, and 99% of HN readers, will gladly pull the trigger to release a missile from a drone if we are paid even just US$1,000,000/year.

I sincerely doubt that's true. I hope it's not. $1m is a lot of money, but I find it hard to believe most people would be willing to indiscriminately kill a large number of people for it.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by coryodaniel »

Griffinsauce wrote: post #295
cedws wrote: post #253

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I think Altman probably rationalised it to himself by thinking that if he doesn’t do it, Musk/xAI will, and they give zero fucks about safety. So maybe he told himself that it’s better if OpenAI does it.

Is there a name for this phenomenon? I've taken to calling it "the nihilist's excuse"

I think it’s called being a “shithead”

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

manmal wrote: post #339
blueblisters wrote: post #154

My knee-jerk reaction to this was looks like an opportunistic maneuver that Sam is known for and I'm considering canceling my subscriptions and business with OpenAI But what's the most charitable / objective interpretation of this? For example - https://x.com/UnderSecretaryF/status/2027594072811098230 Does it suggest that determination of "lawful use" and Dario's concerns falls upon the government, not the AI provide…

Unless you're using an enterprise plan or pay per token, you're not hurting their business at all by cancelling. The consumer plans are heavily subsidised.

AI companies seem to be growth companies whose whole point seems to be that they are okay with extreme amounts of losses/lack of profitability so long as they grow a lot.

If you back down from using Chatgpt, you throw a wrench in their growth numbers.

I would consider training data could have important info as well and to be honest, with their circular financing, Nvidia openAI with GPU's being the main cost (and given that OpenAI isn't facing the Ram crisis heck it created the ram crisis by pre-ordering 20%) and recent deals, money isn't an issue to them for some time now. Growth is.

You are also forgetting that OpenAI is planning to add ads in which case you would be the product, its better not to discourage anyone who wishes to cancel perhaps.

Other commentators have made some good points as well and I used to think the same thing as you but I do think that cancelling might make the most sense.

That or if you want to cause maximum damage, trying to burn the most tokens that you physically can asking random things to burn OpenAI's money but remember that the model still takes energy requirements so you'd be wasting energy for something quite pointless.

IMO, it might be better to cancel/not use OpenAI.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by onion2k »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #632
onion2k wrote: post #560

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This isn't even close to true. VCs aren't silly, and it's not the 2010-2015 days of free money any more. Having a big company on your resume is not enough to land your seed round. You need a product, traction, and real money revenue in most cases.

I mean, even if that's the case Facebook was hiring 100 Million$ just a few months ago though even poaching from OpenAI and I do think that these employees will always have an easier time getting a decent job offer from major companies in general as well. They may or may not be making the same money but, I do think that their morals have to be priced in as well.

Getting a job offer is very different to raising a funding round.
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