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Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by WarmWash »

andreagrandi wrote: post #273

I'm only waiting for OpenAI to provide an equivalet ~100 USD subscription to entirely ditch Claude. Opus has gone down the hill continously in the last week (and before you start flooding with replies, I've been testing opus/codex in parallel for the last week, I've plenty of examples of Claude going off track, then apologising, then saying "now it's all fixed!" and then only fixing part of it, when codex nailed at t…

My favorite conspiracy explanation:

Claude has gotten a lot of popular media attention in the last few weeks, and the influx of users is constraining compute/memory on an already compute heavy model. So you get all the suspected "tricks" like quantization, shorter thinking, KV cache optimizations.

It feels like the same thing that happened to Gemini 3, and what you can even feel throughout the day (the models seem smartest at 12am).

Dario in his interview with dwarkesh last week also lamented the same refrain that other lab leaders have: compute is constrained and there are big tradeoffs in how you allocate it. It feels safe to reason then that they will use any trick they can to free up compute.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by rglullis »

nerdjon wrote: post #603
rglullis wrote: post #593

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That does not make it illegal. "Both parties are okay with the terms" is far from being sufficient to make something "legal". Tie-in sales between software and services is not different from price dumping. If any of the Big Tech corporations were from any country that is not the US, the FTC would be doing anything in their power to stop them.

> Tie-in sales between software and services is not different from price dumping. I disagree, in many cases what you are specifically paying for is the combination of the software and the service that are designed to work together. And in many cases do not work independent of eachother. There are countless cases of this, that what you are paying for is a thing that is made up of a piece of software and a serverside c…

> in many cases what you are specifically paying for is the combination of the software and the service that are designed to work together

And in many cases like Claude Code and the Anthropic models, they can and do work perfectly independently.

> True but the opposite is also true, just because you don't like the terms it does not make it illegal.

This is not me "not liking it". Like I said somewhere else in this thread: these types of tie-in are illegal in Brazil. This practice is clearly not done to favor the consumer. You can bet that if the US was anything closer to a functional democracy and the laws were not written by lobbyists, this would be illegal in the US as well.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by dgdosen »

Is it me, or will this just speed up the timeline where a 'good enough' open model (Qwen? Deepseek? - I'm sure the Chinese will see a value in undermining OpenAI/Anthropic/Google) combined with good enough/cheap hardware (10x inference improvement in a M7 Macbook Air?) makes running something like opencode code locally a no brainer?

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by throwaway920102 »

notrealyme123 wrote: post #390
matdehaast wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotify are probably reacting to https://annas-archive.li/blog/backing-up-spotify.html where basically the whole archive was downloaded

that was later.

It was known publicly later.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by shortsunblack »

Anthropic has no authority to do as such. Users and third apps are protected by interoperability exceptions found in copyright case law.

Trying to prevent competitors from interoperating with the service also may be construed as anticompetitive behaviour.

The implementation details of an authentication process do not beget legal privileges to be a monopolist. What an absurd thought.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by irishcoffee »

dgdosen wrote: post #633

Is it me, or will this just speed up the timeline where a 'good enough' open model (Qwen? Deepseek? - I'm sure the Chinese will see a value in undermining OpenAI/Anthropic/Google) combined with good enough/cheap hardware (10x inference improvement in a M7 Macbook Air?) makes running something like opencode code locally a no brainer?

People running models locally has always been the scare for the sama's of the world. "Wait, I don't need you to generate these responses for me? I can get the same results myself?"

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by nerdjon »

rglullis wrote: post #632
nerdjon wrote: post #603

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tie-in sales between software and services is not different from price dumping. I disagree, in many cases what you are specifically paying for is the combination of the software and the service that are designed to work together. And in many cases do not work independent of eachother. There are countless cases of this, that what you are paying for is a thing that is made up of a piece of software and a serverside c…

> in many cases what you are specifically paying for is the combination of the software and the service that are designed to work together And in many cases like Claude Code and the Anthropic models, they can and do work perfectly independently. > True but the opposite is also true, just because you don't like the terms it does not make it illegal. This is not me "not liking it". Like I said somewhere else in this th…

What law is actually being broken in Brazil?

Are MMO’s illegal in Brazil? Is PlayStation Plus illegal in Brazil? Is Spotify, Apple Music, etc etc etc also illegal in Brazil?

It would be ridiculous to argue that I could pay for a subscription to World of Warcraft and make my own third party client to play the game with. (Obviously you are free to argue it all you want but I would be very surprised if this was actually illegal).

> And in many cases like Claude Code and the Anthropic models, they can and do work perfectly independently.

Unless I am mistaken Claude Code does not have a local model built into it, so it requires a server side component to work?

As far as the Anthropic models, yes like many other services they ALSO have a public API that is separate from the subscription that you are paying for.

The critical difference here being that in the subscription it is very clear that you are paying for “Claude Code” which is a combination of an application and a server side component. It makes no claims about API usage as part of your subscription, again the technical implementation of the service you are actually paying for “Claude Code” is irrelevant.

When it comes to “Claude Code” for all that we should care about, again given that “Claude Code” is what you are paying for, they could be sending the information to Gemini or or a human looks at it. Because it’s irrelevant to the end user when it comes to the technical implementation since you are not being granted access to any other parts of the system directly.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by rurp »

bluelightning2k wrote: post #559

Reading these comments aren't we missing the obvious? Claude Code is a lock in, where Anthropic takes all the value. If the frontend and API are decoupled, they are one benchmark away from losing half their users. Some other motivations: they want to capture the value. Even if it's unprofitable they can expect it to become vastly profitable as inference cost drops, efficiency improves, competitors die out etc. Or wor…

I don't think many are confused about why Anthropic wants to do this. The crux is that they appear to be making these changes solely for their own benefit at the expense of their users and people are upset.

There are parallels to the silly Metaverse hype wave from a few years ago. At the time I saw a surprising number of people defending the investment saying it was important for Facebook to control their own platform. Well sure it's beneficial for Facebook to control a platform, but that benefit is purely for the company and if anything it would harm current and future users. Unsurprisingly, the pitch to please think of this giant corporation's needs wasn't a compelling pitch in the end.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by smileysteve »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #578
nerdjon wrote: post #553

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is, plain and simple, a tie-in sale of claude code. I am particularly amused by people accepting it as "fair" because in Brazil this is an illegal practice I am very curious what is particularly illegal about this. On the sales page nowhere do they actually talk about the API https://claude.com/pricing Now we all know obviously the API is being used because that is how things work, but you are not actually pay…

Imagine if video service came with a free TV that watched you, and was really opinionated about what you watch, and you could only watch your videos on the creeper TV.

I think you just described American cable boxes... Except they charge us a monthly fee and an additional monthly fee for the box.

Or any smart tv with free ip tv.

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