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Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday

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that was precisely my reaction as well. phew machines will deal with the timestamp issue and i can just sit on a beach while we singularityize or whatever.

You won't be on the beach when you get turned into paperclips. The machines will come and harvest your ass. Don't click here: https://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/

I don't get it - if they're coming for me anyway, then why would I need to move my ass from my beach chair?

Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday

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post #409

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I love that you brought this up. Chickens are killed ALL the time. It’s a recurring mass event. If you were a smart chicken you could see that pattern and put it into a formula. In contrast, the end of Humanity would be a singular event. It’s even in the name… And that is fiction / speculation in comparison. It’s not backed by any data. Human survival over 300,000 years by contrast is. I mean it’s fine to dream thing…

Erm, humanity is experiencing recurring mass events right now.

Single individuals yes, but last time I checked we still had 8+ bn humans and growing on this planet.

Unless you have another couple of planets to showcase there is nothing to discuss really.

Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday

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post #409

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I love that you brought this up. Chickens are killed ALL the time. It’s a recurring mass event. If you were a smart chicken you could see that pattern and put it into a formula. In contrast, the end of Humanity would be a singular event. It’s even in the name… And that is fiction / speculation in comparison. It’s not backed by any data. Human survival over 300,000 years by contrast is. I mean it’s fine to dream thing…

What, you weren't alive when the last mass extinction event occurred? Why didn't you communicate or at least write the last handful down or something? Aren't you smarter than a chicken? It's funny that you think we know what happened to humans anymore than a chicken knows what happened to chickens.

Look that’s the thing: we know about mass extinction events. So we can use these to extrapolate.

A 10+ kilometer wide asteroid will most likely cause global mass extinction, by blocking sunlight and collapsing ecosystems. That’s how the dinosaurs were wiped out 66 million years ago.

Such events are estimated to occur roughly once every 100-200 million years. That’s not fiction that’s science. If we get hit by one of these we’re probably gonna all die.

But we never had a robot revolution. That’s why anything about it belongs in the realm of fiction.

Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday

#635

This is delightfully unhinged, spending an amazing amount of time describing their model and citing their methodologies before getting to the meat of the meal many of us have been braying about for years: whether the singularity actually happens or not is irrelevant so much as whether enough people believe it will happen and act accordingly. And, yep! A lot of people absolutely believe it will and are acting accordin…

I just point to Covid lockdowns and how many people took up hobbies, how many just turned into recluses, how many broke the rules no matter the consequences real or imagined, etc. Humans need something to do. I don’t think it should be work all the time. But we need something to do or we just lose it. It’s somewhat simplistic, but I find it get the conversation rolling. Then I go “it’s great that we want to replace w…

Make babies?

Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday

#636

I had to ask duck.ai to summarize the article in plain English. It said that the article claims that is not necessarily that AI is getting smarter but that people might be getting too stupid to understand what are they getting into. Can confirm.

Don't be too hard on yourself. With the amount shit humans generate each day it is impossible to read every essay.

But this has been true forever, right? Assuming other people are as cognitively complex as you are, there's no way for a human to fully keep on top of even everything that their family is up to, let alone all of humanity. Has anything really changed? Or is it just more FOMO?

Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday

#637

This is delightfully unhinged, spending an amazing amount of time describing their model and citing their methodologies before getting to the meat of the meal many of us have been braying about for years: whether the singularity actually happens or not is irrelevant so much as whether enough people believe it will happen and act accordingly. And, yep! A lot of people absolutely believe it will and are acting accordin…

The goal is to eliminate humans as the primary actors on the planet entirely At least that’s my personal goal If we get to the point where I can go through my life and never interact with another human again, and work with a bunch of machines and robots to do science and experiments and build things to explore our world and make my life easier and safer and healthier and more sustainable, I would be absolutely thrill…

To me this sounds so sad

Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday

#638

The simple model of an "intelligence explosion" is the obscure equation dx 2 -- = x dt which has the solution 1 x = ----- C-t and is interesting in relation to the classic exponential growth equation dx -- = x dt because the rate of growth is proportional to x and represents the idea of an "intelligence explosion" AND a model of why small western towns became ghost towns, it is hard to start a new social network, etc…

> thus it remains obscure. Hyperbolic growth hits the limits (electricity? intractable problems?) the same way exponential growth does.

Indeed, exponential or larger than exponential growth in nature is always the beginning of a S curve. The article cites

> Moore's Law was exponential. We are no longer on Moore's Law.

This will also happen with super-exponential growth. A literal singularity won't happen - it will inevitably exhaust resources and will slow down.

Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday

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post #118

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> * enough people believe it will happen and act accordingly* Here comes my favorite notion of "epistemic takeover". A crude form: make everybody believe that you have already won. A refined form: make everybody believe that everybody else believes that you have already won. That is, even if one has doubts about your having won, they believe that everyone else submit to you as a winner, and must act accordingly.

This world where everybody’s very concerned with that “refined form” is annoying and exhausting. It causes discussions to become about speculative guesses about everybody else’s beliefs, not actual facts. In the end it breeds cynicism as “well yes, the belief is wrong, but everybody is stupid and believes it anyway,” becomes a stop-gap argument. I don’t know how to get away from it because ultimately coordination dep…

Ultimately it all comes back to the collective action problem doesn't it?

I believe that is solvable.

Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday

#640

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err... how Bitcoin works, or how the speculative bubble around cryptocurrencies circa 2019-2021 worked? Bitcoin is actually kind of useful for some niche use cases - namely illegal transactions, like buying drugs online (Silk Road, for example), and occasionally for international money transfers - my French father once paid an Argentinian architect in Bitcoin, because it was the easiest way to transfer the money due…

> Bitcoin is actually kind of useful for some niche use cases - namely illegal transactions, like buying drugs online (Silk Road, for example), For the record - the illegal transactions were thought to be advantaged by crypto like BTC because it was assumed to be impossible to trace the people engaged in the transaction, however the opposite is true, public blockchains register every transaction a given wallet has ma…

Anonymity/untraceability was not the primary reason for using BTC towards black/grey markets. Bitcoin can be used pseudo anonymously , and the fact is you simply cannot send money to your grey market counterparty via any method but cash without it being flagged/canceled, and if you can't send cash (which has its own problems), bitcoin is the only option.
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