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Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by chung8123 »

catigula wrote: post #28
grouchomarx wrote: post #20

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>I think the timing of the Cybertruck starting deliveries roughly aligning with when Elon got heavily involved in politics That and also it's just a bad product. >That said, even though it's not to my taste, I do admire that they dared to do something different and took a big gamble on it. A pickup truck should just be max utility, especially if you're a manufacturer making your first one edit: agree there's a market…

>A pickup truck should just be max utility, especially if you're a manufacturer making your first one I don't think this is actually true, most pickup trucks aren't designed for maximum utility. They're designed to sell a lifestyle.

Not just trucks. Almost all cars sell a lifestyle.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by chung8123 »

m463 wrote: post #502
rootusrootus wrote: post #407

Judging from how many people seem surprised by my open frunk at the grocery store, saying things like "I had no idea Ford made an electric truck!" I think they could have done more to market it. I sometimes wonder if they really wanted to sell a lot of them.

I remember when tesla was young and elon talked about selling electric cars through dealers. He said it would not work, they would not be advocates, they would prevent sales. And I think that is spot on. I also suspect internally the thinking is that the f150 lightning costs more to make than sell, which means it won't get strong advocacy. Thing is, I'm 100% certain years of tesla vehicles cost more to make than they…

Tesla made a lot of their money selling carbon credits so it is likely some of their cars didn't break even.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by mc3301 »

vablings wrote: post #116
everdrive wrote: post #31

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Heartbreaking but true. The most popular pickups today are not the most useful pickups. There are no more basic utilitarian pickups any longer, at least in the US. Pickups are a little bit interesting in this regard. For any given model (eg: Tacoma, Frontier, etc.) the more premium the truck, the worse it is at being a truck. Each feature you add reduces its payload, and in the case of the Frontier, you could drop fr…

I would be willing to say that a small Japanese kei truck is more than the average American would ever need for hauling furnishings, appliances and lumber. If you really need something bigger renting a trailer or truck is dirt cheap

I agree with you on the kei truck. They are pretty darn tough, and have so many uses.

However, they are TINY inside. If you are taller 6'1" and/or heavier than 200lbs, it is a tight squeeze, especially for anything longer than 30 minutes. The "average American" can't fit it a kei truck.

Also, the weird manliness of the average American man would make this truck unsuccessful, simply because it is too small. Which is hilarious, because some of the most resourceful, strongest, reliable and adventurous men I have met drive kei trucks.

I guess finally, the big highways with longhaul trucks and fast speeds are not so good in a k-truck.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by mc3301 »

jeff_skj wrote: post #172
vablings wrote: post #116

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I would be willing to say that a small Japanese kei truck is more than the average American would ever need for hauling furnishings, appliances and lumber. If you really need something bigger renting a trailer or truck is dirt cheap

Except most people also use trucks as daily driver vehicles. You can't exactly fit the wife and kids in a kei. Sure you could also own a car for that but now I need to own/store 2 vehicles instead of one.

Daihatsu "Deck Van" is pretty rad.

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Post by infecto »

nospice wrote: post #590
mrexroad wrote: post #485

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Bingo. Sprinter vans, utility vans, or even minivans are far, far more useful for trades than modern pickups. Heck, my minivan was the goat for home renovations—it’d easily fit a dozen full 4x8 sheets of drywall/osb/ply/mdf/etc and I could still close the rear gate. I always got chuckles from guys awkwardly wrangling/securing sheets onto a pickup’s bed at the supply yard when I’d easily slide the sheets off the cart…

I think there's basically one 4x4 van on the market in the US right now. So you're making a pretty bad generalization here. In the Bay Area, it's probably true that a van would work well, although I lived in a mixed-income neighborhood and all the construction guys had beater pickups. But if you live in a place with snow and unpaved residential roads, 4x4 is pretty much a must (and pickups can be also be used for plo…

I think your generalization is the bad one. Most trade jobs get better value out of vans compared to trucks. Vans offer awd, I am not sure a 4x4 offers much value.

Most companies prefer vans over trucks. Much better economics.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by UltraSane »

testing22321 wrote: post #55

Just before its release there was some press about a few high ups at Tesla who urged Elon to make a “traditional” looking pickup alongside the cyber truck in case it was a flip, but Elon shut them down hard. I’d be really interested to know if they’re going to do that. The tech is incredible and will filter into all vehicles in a decade or so (48v, Ethernet instead of CAN, etc)

The steer by wire that adjusts how much the wheels turn based on speed is by far the most innovative part of the cybertruck

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Post by paddy_m »

parl_match wrote: post #542
mrexroad wrote: post #485

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Bingo. Sprinter vans, utility vans, or even minivans are far, far more useful for trades than modern pickups. Heck, my minivan was the goat for home renovations—it’d easily fit a dozen full 4x8 sheets of drywall/osb/ply/mdf/etc and I could still close the rear gate. I always got chuckles from guys awkwardly wrangling/securing sheets onto a pickup’s bed at the supply yard when I’d easily slide the sheets off the cart…

The only reason i have a pickup is because i put dirtbikes in it. They also fit in a van, but good luck finding a reasonably priced one with AWD (very high demand, especially due to camper conversions). Vans are way better in almost every regard. Actually, I'm buying a house with a garage and I may get a bike trailer, and a tow hitch for my BMW. That would be an even simpler solution

Same. Where are you, want to hit the trails sometime?

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Post by mcny »

mc3301 wrote: post #615
QuadmasterXLII wrote: post #603

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You could run a single issue presidential campaign on bringing the S10 back (all it would really take is patching some weired emissions regulations mistakes). A better truck from a better time.

That new Slate pickup looks pretty cool.

I have never owned a truck or a new car and I might buy one if they can truly keep the slate under 20knincluding delivery and all taxes and fees.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by WheatMillington »

simondotau wrote: post #558
WheatMillington wrote: post #161

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It actually wasn't the bumper that ripped off in that video, it was the entire rear subframe tearing in two.

If you're talking about the JerryRigEverything video, the negative interpretations represent a fundamental misunderstanding of physics. Pinning the front down removes the main real-world load-sharing path (vehicle rotation and suspension compliance) so the rear subframe is forced to absorb an unrealistically large bending moment that would normally be distributed across the whole vehicle. This created conditions whic…

I've never seen a JerryRigEverything video.
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