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It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by robinhood »

juancn wrote: post #150
robinhood wrote: post #38

I never disliked an OS as much as I dislike what Apple is doing with MacOS (and iOS by extension). I've been with MacOS for 20 years, but I've switched at home to Linux full time 2 years ago and I don't regret it. At work I'm forced to be on MacOS. It's concerning how Apple doesn't care anymore about user needs, usability, design and consistency. Where it was the best OS in the past for me, it's not anymore. Other OS…

Seriously? UX in Linux is awful, there's no single desktop metaphor. You have hundreds of distros each with their quirks. There is no "Linux" other than the kernel. There's a lot more consistency in the Apple ecosystem. Don't get me started on the other crap with Linux distros: power management doesn't work, audio barely works, heck even though both Linux and MacOS use CUPS for printing, in MacOS it works way better.

It looks like an old comment from 5 years ago. I bet you haven't tried Linux lately. Yes there are many flavors of this OS, and that's alright. Everyone will find what it needs. As for the other crap that doesn't work: again, install and use any popular distro. You'll see for yourself. Most recent hardware is perfectly supported and things just work™.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by BurningFrog »

airstrike wrote: post #541
staplers wrote: post #510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uber, Airbnb, Robinhood all took off because they created easy to use beautiful apps (compared to their predecessors). The anti-design bias in this forum is genuinely unhinged. I see some saying the entire destruction of the natural world stems from design lol.

That statement is just 100% demonstrably false. I don't think anyone seriously believes Uber, Airbnb and Robinhood won because of "beautiful apps".

Beauty has real value, but usability is far more important.

Unfortunately, most of the SW industry isn't even aware of the difference:

For beauty you hire a graphic designer

For usability you hire a PhD in cognitive psychology

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by justinclift »

a022311 wrote: post #586
dehrmann wrote: post #498

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Apple just reduced Vision Pro production, but Liquid Glass was in motion well before that. What leaves me scratching my head is I never got the impression Apple believed in Vision Pro. It launched because after years of research, management wanted to see if the effort was worth continuing to invest in, but that wasn't a vote of confidence.

I'll have to second this. It's not even on Apple's homepage! I hadn't heard it mentioned for months before today. It had its niche share of users who actually found it useful, but apart from them it seems that the world is not ready for spatial computing (or maybe current spatial computing isn't ready for people, who knows?).

The hardware seems good, but with it being tied to the Apple ecosystem there's just no way.

I'd buy one if I could use it with my Linux (KDE) workstation, but there's no chance I'm going to be using it via a mac.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by robinhood »

hyperbovine wrote: post #178
juancn wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously? UX in Linux is awful, there's no single desktop metaphor. You have hundreds of distros each with their quirks. There is no "Linux" other than the kernel. There's a lot more consistency in the Apple ecosystem. Don't get me started on the other crap with Linux distros: power management doesn't work, audio barely works, heck even though both Linux and MacOS use CUPS for printing, in MacOS it works way better.

I don't understand why this comment is downvoted, it is undeniably true.

Because for most of us, it's simply not true. It's as stable, if more, than MacOS, by far.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by ackyshake »

JaggerJo wrote: post #119

Good that Alan Dye is no longer at apple. Liquid Glass on macOS is a mass. The icons, the floating side menus, the inconsistent corners, the new tabs in Safari.. On iOS it's totally fine, but on macOS it's a disaster. I've only updated one machine so far and will keep all others on Sequoia until this mess is resolved.

> Good that Alan Dye is no longer at apple.

Yeah, but I doubt that would change much; the amount of damage done would be difficult to roll back. What do you think Apple is going to do for the next macOS: "Look we told you to design all these extra icons last year. Guess what, this year we want you to remove them."

I just can't imagine that happening. This is the fundamental thing that is wrong with this. They had the OSes in beta for a few months, barely listened to feedback, and now we're stuck with the damage. For how many more OS iterations?

I really wish they had at least macOS in a different cycle than iOS (and with the idiotic year version names, they've brazenly signed themselves up for the yearly schedules.) I really couldn't care less about what damage they do to iOS after iOS 7, but I still haven't upgraded to Tahoe and I won't do so until they roll this design back entirely...which I don't see happening.

Maybe I'm just pessimistic about Apple at this point but I feel like no amount of criticism is going to change their design trajectory now, unless it affects their bottom-line.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by justinclift »

eastbound wrote: post #589
treymalikcruz wrote: post #537

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I think this is the right read in terms of intent but I also feel it offers a lens into the silliness of Apple's current strategy around all this. VisionPro appears to be currently floundering, and no matter how much they try to make it unintrusive and airy and transparent in its interface, it's presently an unwieldy device not designed to leave the home or office. Predicating company-wide design systems on this line…

What’s frustrating about the VisionPro is their absolute refusal to address it as a giant screen. All people I know describe this usecase first: “Will be awesome when it replaces my 2x34" screens”. I described it to the salesman when he asked me why I wanted to try it. He never showed it. Gave him 0/5, he complained, I explained this is specifically what I asked. You can emulate one screen in VisionPro but it’s absol…

> In waiting for my threat letter from Steve Jobs ...

Ummm, you know he died yeah?

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by ethbr1 »

euroderf wrote: post #341
gnarlouse wrote: post #259

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I really don't think the shininess is the issue at hand. It's interface clutter. My iPhone is so cluttered. It's packed full of software I'll never use. I wade through menu options I'll never use. I like the look of Liquid Glass and I'm generally for it. It just needs to be organized better. > just functional This is ultimately what I disagree with. I think iOS/macOS have become entirely dysfunctional. Software is br…

Imagine using "Apple" and "featuritis" in the same sentence.

Make a Ballmer CEO...

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by groundzeros2015 »

EGreg wrote: post #597
groundzeros2015 wrote: post #590

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That’s not capitalism. That’s hierarchy. It didn’t start in the 20th century

Capitalism and competition produce the results I describe further down the comment. It escalates to planetary catastrophe

Let’s focus on the specific claims in your comment.

> People got canned for resisting the corporate overlords. That’s capitalism

Being told to do things by your boss is a problem as old as time. Except with capitalism you can change bosses — a luxury which has not existed throughout history.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by 0x457 »

airstrike wrote: post #541
staplers wrote: post #510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uber, Airbnb, Robinhood all took off because they created easy to use beautiful apps (compared to their predecessors). The anti-design bias in this forum is genuinely unhinged. I see some saying the entire destruction of the natural world stems from design lol.

That statement is just 100% demonstrably false. I don't think anyone seriously believes Uber, Airbnb and Robinhood won because of "beautiful apps".

"Beautiful" maybe, not "good UX" for sure. Prior to Uber, calling a cab using the phone app was...suboptimal and easier to actually call a taxi company. They also provided much better services, which is what make them stick around.

RH made a lot of investment tool accessible to people that "I just want to buy stock of some company", I used tasty trades for a while, but their mobile app while has all functionality, but realistically you will just look to overview portfolio.

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